Don't confuse the practical Need to demand, from the forceful presence of Left Bloc, 
concessions from the Democrats, and Nader's solipsistic "talent show", which offers 
nothing practically.. We are talking about organizing a consistent political presence 
that extends past now,  not just  some "feel good" stunting for the similarly confused.

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At 20:33 9/9/00 EDT, Joe Mosley wrote:
>Please be consistent Mr. Baraka, in one sentence 
>you belittle those who think they can clean up "Imperialism" and in another 
>sentence you want to create a bloc to demand concessions from the "High 
>Priest" of the "Imperialists." You cannot have it both ways Sir!


Joe,

Outstanding response, as usual.

Colleen managed to get on the air when Baraka was on Clayton Reilly's
Saturday radio show on WBAI, and tried to make that very point, but it was
hard to get a word in edgewise.  She also pointed out that Ralph was
running to help build the Green party and not to further his own career,
which does not need help.

Baraka's response was somewhat rambling, and made the astounding claim that
the environment is not an important issue to most people!  Beyond the fact
that he knew that the Green Party had something to do with the environment,
and that Ralph Nader was an advocate for consumers (which he tried to paint
as an advocate in favor of over-consumption!), he seemed to actually know
very little about the positions or history of the Green Party.
Nevertheless, he felt qualified to hold forth at length about what was
"wrong" with it, getting almost every detail wrong.

What's worse is that he should know better, having had numerous contacts
with Joe Fortunato, and Larry Hamm, so he would have to try very hard to
get it so wrong.

It is pretty clear that Baraka is no longer a part of the solution.
Determining what, therefore, he *is* a part of is left as an exercise for
the reader.

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