It would be nice to know what these vital concessions are.
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> The split between the Social Democrats and Spartacists & other Communist
fractions was the basis for Hindenburg then Hitler. And all, then trade
unionists, Jews, Gypsies, were wasted.
> The "upper hand" they had vanished based on wht Lenin called Otzovism and
Liquidationism. One group too revolutionary to Unite, the other making
opportunist submission to the right.
> We have no upper hand or not much of a hand at all because we are SPLIT
now. Nader's one man band whereby, read the platform, he wants to do quality
control on imperialism at best can move the prostitute a trifle to the Left,
which is good. Though the dangs have let Buchanan emerge, with a "colored"
woman v.p. on the ticket to move the electorate back rightward. Thus , they
feel, neutralizing the Democrat'x Lieberman move, maent to reunify the split
Black-Jewish political affinity of the Civil Rights days. Feeling that
perhaps that they can pull the feminist trend with the Blacks, plus the
foflks who can believe the bs "Populist" tip smeared like mayonaise over
Buchanan's the cold right essence of Buch's line.
> As I said previously, Nadir's "campaign", can only have positive meaning
in practical politics if it is one aspect of a national anti-imperialist
electoral (and with practice around other key issues) United Front, Lenin's
Left Bloc, if you will. "March Separately , Strike Together!". Otherwise it
is merely petty bourgeois grandstanding. Another sectarian "get rich quick"
scheme!
> Neither an essentially Consumer Advocacy based campaign or
Environmentalism, both largely petty bourgeois priorities, are at the
cutting edge of mass democratic struggle, but joined with a broad spectrum
of other anti-imperialist organizations and movements, we can begin the
arduous process of principled Unity and even at this point force some vital
concessions from the Democrats. To "go it alone" is more likely to be the
Texas Cheney-Saw murderer's enabler.
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> Response to Amiri Baraka's post from JoeMosley.
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> Subj: [CrashList] Re: [BRC-DISC] Re:Nader isn't arousing anything
> Date: 9/5/00 6:58:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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> THE NADIR OF SOCIAL- DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL POSTURING
> Weimar is recycling it's eerie presence , tightening around us today!
> Ralph Nader's feverish personal "campaign for president" is useful in the
> sense that in a general way, he raises some issues that , hopefully, like
> Bradley's gesture, moves the Gore wagon slightly to the Left. But for
Nader
> to insist that his individualistic petty bourgeois for a moral remaking
of
> the Imperialist state is politically advanced as the practical politics
of
> our time place and condition, is sad and dangerous. Because, only the
> slowest among us can not see that if Nader takes his , in essence,
> politically solipsistic show all the way to the hoop, then he will quite
> simply help Bush get elected!
>
> JoeMosley - So what, would that be the end of the world? We survived Nixon
> and Bush, we have Clinton, now you hope that we will "move the Gore wagon
> slightly to the left." Is that what you would call progress? I don't! I
> believe that the progressive members of our society have treated Clinton
and
> will treat Gore as how a teenager who has been sodomized by her
boy-friend,
> is hurt, disturbed and ambivalent, but does not make a fuss because she
> believes that he loves her. While if she was penetrated by another, she
would
> scream rape and seek reprisals. If a Republican was in the White House,
> progressives would not forgive and forget: the sordid Lewinski affair; the
> "three strikes and you are out" mandatory judicial sentencing; the
mandatory
> punitive sentences for "minor" crack violations compared to the "slap on
the
> wrist" for "minor" cocaine violations; the unfair implementation of
"welfare
> to work-fare" reforms; and the list could go on...
>
> The politics of individual moral cant is the "protest" politics of
the
> petty bourgeois "loyal opposition" crying out because they think
Imperialism
> can be cleaned up enough (consumer advocacy) for them & some of we, to be
> INCLUDED.
> First, Nader is not that much Left of Gore. His recent speeches, while
> trying to tighten up his "gap" vis a vis Blacks and oppressed
nationalities,
> is still saccharin covered generality, in the main. Nader is a consumer
> advocate, at worst, quality control for imperialism's commodities.
>
> JoeMosley - Please tread carefully Mr. Baraka, in your zeal to trivialize
> Nader, your bias is showing. You conveniently fail to recognize that Ralph
> Nader and Winona LaDuke were nominated by the Association of State Green
> Parties, they were drafted by the ASGP and they are running on the ASGP
> platform. They are also building a party that is free from the corrupting
> influence of greedy corporations, a party that is challenging the hegemony
of
> the corporate controlled Democratic and Republican parties. Win or lose,
the
> Green Party will change the political paradigm, detain the creeping
> plutocracy (what I believe you call Imperialism) that is perverting our
> democratic institutions and facilitate the emergence of other political
> parties.
> NADER CAN ONLY BE ULTIMATELY USEFUL TO THE PEOPLE, IN A PRACTICAL
> POLITICAL SENSE, IF HE AGREES TO AGGRESSIVELY HELP CREATE A LEFT BLOC.. OF
> THE MAIN ANTI IMPERIALST ORGANIZATIONS AND INSTITUTIONS AND DEMAND
CONCRETE
> CONCESSIONS FROM GORE!!----
>
> JoeMosley - There is a very important kernel of wisdom in this statement,
Mr
> Baraka, but I would phrase it differently, i.e., NADER CAN BE USEFUL TO
THE
> PEOPLE, IN A PRACTICAL POLITICAL SENSE, IF HE AGREES TO AND SUCCEEDS IN
> HELPING TO CREATE A BLOC OF ANTI-PLUTOCRACY ORGANIZATIONS AND INSTITUTIONS
TO
> DEFEAT BOTH GORE AND BUSH. Please be consistent Mr. Baraka, in one
sentence
> you belittle those who think they can clean up "Imperialism" and in
another
> sentence you want to create a bloc to demand concessions from the "High
> Priest" of the "Imperialists." You cannot have it both ways Sir!
>
> Some of the main groups that should be in such a bloc would be
> Marxist-Leninist Organizations, including the CPUSA, Freedom Socialists,
> Committee of Correspondence, Social Democratic organizations like the DSA,
> SDA, , Puerto Rican Socialist Party (The Trots and Anarchists abhor the
dirty
> bourgeois electoral arena, that's one characteristic of their objective
> Opposition to Revolutionary Democratic Struggle, the only real precursor
and
> path to Socialism!) Anti Imperialist Organizations ...both multi national
and
> national in form; e.g., Black Latino, Asian, Native Peoples groups,
Trade
> Unions, Black Radical Congress, Black United Front, RNA, NAACP, Pan
> Africanist, Professional and Academic Organizations, Cultural and Arts
> Groups, Media Groups, Nation of Islam and American Muslim Mission,
> Independent Publications and Presses. Consumer Coops, Agricultural Coops,
> Advocacy Groups, particularly around Welfare, Immigration, Police
Brutality.
> Police Control Boards,
> The Congressional and State Legislative Black and Latino Caucuses, ABC
> LEO, Individual Politcal and Activist figures,and their organizations,
e.g.,
> Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, RAndall Robinson, Marable, Gates, West, Afro
> American, Latino Publishers Groups, Minority and Small Business
> Organizations, Church related groups,
>
> JoeMosley - I would "give my right arm" to see a cohesive bloc of these
> organizations, but their potential would be wasted "demanding concrete
> concessions from Gore. In my opinion, a bloc of this magnitude could ese
organizations could adopt
> the documents of the others without making major changes in their own
> document. How many of the organizations that you mention are in the same
> situation? Instead of trying to derail the Nader campaign why not support
> this effort as a first step in a movement to dismantle the "duopoly" and
> create a level playing field for all parties?
>
> Either Nader and the Greens abandon the isolated glamour of moral
> pontification as a Loyal Opposition to Imperialism or they risk the Weimar
> replay of helping elect the far Right, BUSH 2. I know the choice is
between a
> Murderer (B-2) and a Prostitute (Gore rimes with W....) but folks, that is
> literally where we are. Being serenaded by the dismally ignorant chorus of
> Trot-Anarchists, one of who said, "I bet you voted for Clinton". To which
we
> say, I bet you voted (by non-voting) for Bush. (Note to All , read The
> Casebook on Weimar, Univ of Calif, to see how close we are to Weimar 2!
> Hitler came to power because of a split between Communists and Social
> Democrats!} Amiri Baraka
>
> JoeMosley - Mr. Baraka, I believe your Weimar analogy is a bit off base.
In
> Weimar, the Communists and Social Democrats had the upper-hand which they
> lost because of the split. Today Democrats and Republicans have the
> upper-hand, we have nothing. What can we lose? In conclusion, why vote for
> the lesser of two evils when there is a better choice?
>
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