> I agree that planet heat death is a likely outcome, but I have
> an honest disagreement with you over the ranking of the probabilities, and
> there is a wide variety of scenarios and little agreement without more
> data."
Yes, you're right, Tom.
>
> 2) "As the crash deepen,s our culture will devolve into disconnected (from
> each other) communities."
>
> 3) "As Stan has observed, the most immediate danger is the governmental
> [capitalist/fascist]response to warming, population overshoot, and the rest.
> We should have an eye to doing what we can to diminish the negative
> consequences. All of us should be conscious of this right now, regardless of
> our differing policial/social/economic orientations."
I think someone else said this, but in any case I also agree that we don't need to
flag our philosophical conviction everytime we say anything, so I agree with you
that:
> This is an imperfect medium at best. I had assumed that one was among
> colleagues here on the list, at least to the extent that one could speak of
> components of the crash without always having to spell out the larger,
> overriding "right message to be sending out".
>
> You and I have a few differences of opinion as to the nature and character
> of the impending crash scenario, and that is all. This is true among
> everyone who is aware of the problem at this point in time, right?
right
> What I should have said is "As the crash spirals civilazation down, there is
> a window of opportuinity for communities to take advantage of biocentric
> thinking in order to combat the consequences of anthropocentric disaster and
> anthropogenic-generated problems. It could save some pockets of humanity."
Well, I agree with this too, but should we make a policy out of it? What's important
is not to think in terms of survivalism but in terms of our obligation to the genus
as a whole, to our species, that is, and to the whole of biodiversity. That's my
politics.
> I gave the example of Inuit communities. (I did not recommend individuals be
> selfish) The Inuit would be well within their rights to adopt a "devil take
> the hindmost" attitude, don't you think? However, I don't see them doing
> that, do you?
I once spent some time among the Nanai of northern Siberia (Inuit cousins) so yes,
they have my sympathy.
> I am thinking of unsubscribing from here
In that case I'm unsubbing too.
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