No, Jared, it's not I that deliberately trivializes the debate. It's you, with your repulsive, personalized and insulting style of trying to besmirch people like Andrej, Albert, and Chomsky. You open the way to people like Jela, who then make mindless accusations that Andrej is paid by the Germans. Does ths style of silliness ring a bell? Lenin on the train back to Russia as an agent of Germany? As for why I mistakenly identified this bile written by Piotr as being published on Emperor's Clothes, it has to do with writing after working a nightshift, and with a small child interrupting me constantly, also. However, you posted the commentary, and praised it. Why? I think the answer lies in your fondness for 'fascist-baiting' others. It's not enough for you to state your disagreements with Chomsky and gang, you have to run them through the mud and attribute sinister motives to them. In fact, you attribute sinister motives to me, also. <For that matter, as to why Tony Aabdo writes silly snipes, which either one replies to (which takes time) or one ignores (in which case people might believe them) - e.g. that THIS PARTICULAR ARTICLE by Piotr Bein article appeared on emperor's clothes when the text begins with the words, "Reprinted from http://www.stopnato.org.uk/du-watch/bein/alpha.htm" - as to why Tony likes to build straw men and then mercilessly knocks them down, you got me a third time.> Jared, you are no straw man I want to build to knock down. It's just that your style of praising and publishing thuggish name-calling commentaries, detracts from political debate. I don' t think that Emperor's Clothes, with you as political guru, represent any model for building a future movement against US imperialism. In fact, Emperor's Clothes borders on characture at times, precisely because it is so full of material in the style of Piotr's comments. I disagree with Chomsky and Albert. And I think that Andrej was way too neutral in his idea of resistance to both Milosevic and NATO at the same time. However, I won't impugn their motives with the mud slinging style you seem to love. You think that mudslinging and character defaming is just part of the process of drawing political lines clearly. Well, there is a history of this sort of thing..... A long sorry history that led to the degeneration of the fSU. A history that has no constructive role in rebuilding a movement for Socialism. It is the style of labelling Social Democrats as 'social-fascists', and Trotskyists as imperialist agents. Draw the wagons around, Comrades. This is war. And to do it, on the flimsiest of political pretexts. Sometimes, political currents do appease the capitalist class or imperialism. And there is nothing wrong in pointing this out when it occurs. But a hysterical and rapid style detracts from doing that, Jared. It's really sad, to have to repeatedly make this point. Because, I am very much in agreement with much of the general point of view found on Emperor's Clothes. Reminds me of a time when I was 99.99% in agreement with the positions of a political party whose 'leadership' thuggery and rudeness forced me out. I have no nostalgia at all for this sort of thing. Tony Abdo FYI, Comrade. My last name is Abdo, not Aabdo. You seem to have a problem with getting that spelling correct. _________________________________ Piotr... << His (Michael Albert) positions being what they are, he might as well be the mastermind behind the NATO "information" website about DU.> >> Jared responds...... To put it bluntly, I am interested in actions and arguments, not in witchhunts for paymasters. The important point about Mr. Albert at Z is that he consistently takes a stance that undermines action - waffling on the KLA, backing Otpor, fiercely attacking anyone who suggested the Chinese Embassy bombing might have been deliberate, and now this thing on DU which may end up killing --- I don't want to think how many it may kill. I think it's better to stick to these issues and show why Albert is wrong - as Piotr did, mainly. That's why I posted it. The sentence Tony seizes on is pointless precisely because it allows the discussion to be misfocused and trivialized, as unfortunately Mr. Aabdo has done, diverting from the horror of what Albert advocates to the pointless speculation about his motives. _______________________________________________ CrashList website: http://website.lineone.net/~resource_base
