Tom,
>Let's see. Suppose you woke up and there was no oil.
>Now, that means there is no global economy, no global communication, no
>world-wide or even nationwide anything. You'd be living solely in your
>"locality".
So we apparently agree. I was talking about the pre-crash situation and you're
talking about the post-crash situation. You expect "nature" to do that annoying
destroying power business I alluded to. I thought you were talking about what one
could do now, before the crash, hence the misunderstanding. Am I right in
supposing that bioregionalism can't do more than marginal things *now*?
>Those who understand localism and
>bioregionalism will have a head start, non?
As well as those who have the survival kit and skills some people are busy talking
about. But oil won't disapear from one day to the next. The decline to negligible oil
extraction will last decades, if not a century. The consequences will be radically
different, don't you think so?
>There will have to be localist/bioregionalists in every watershed for it to
>be "large scale", Julien.
Of course, that's how I understood it.
>"Large scale" is actually going away for about
>1500 years
Not convinced. There has been empires built without fossil fuels. And IMO the
social structures of today could well continue to be large scale even if you took
away their oil and that billions died.
>Billions will
>die, read Mark's post, and the other gloom and doom recognitions on this
>thread.
I'm sorry but I still think that some of that is fishy. For example under the thread
"why
we are fucked" we find a Youngquist paper explaining that nothing is likely to
replace petroleum, which is indeed sensible. But to go from that to saying that
there's no good energy sources around and that wind energy is no good
because... I'm not making this up... it's ugly, makes noise, and kills birds?!? It
doesn't even address all the types of energy which are not intended to be
converted to electricity (of course, since they won't replace petroleum) like solar
heating. I do think that some people are making too much out of too little.
That said, I do admit that billions may very well die, but that's hardly certain.
Well, of
course they'll die, but not necessarily this way... you know what I mean.
Julien
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