Hi Alex, Am Mittwoch, 7. Oktober 2009 09:43:24 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Christoph Schäfer wrote: > >> Just how many more Ubuntu Studio, 64 Studio and AGNULAs do we *really* > >> need? :) > > > > What we need is a distro created by people who know what they are doing, > > not attempts by people who don't! > > 64 Studio, for instance, is created by people who are actually damn > good at creative work. Surely I don't have to remind you that it's > always better to check facts and *then* talk?
64 runs as a multimedia and digital content creation platform, which is fine with me. I also have no doubt that the guys behind it are comptent, BUT: - Does 64 Studio ship with useful colour profiles? - Does it provide a selection of carefully selected and tested fonts that won't screw up a print run? - Does ist provide the advanced PDF and PostScript tools? I guess you know that I'm mostly interested in printing, and in this regard, 64 Studio isn't any better than the average Debian, Fedora or whatever standard distro. > > >> Can you save a multilayered ORA > >> with clipping paths fron GIMP and manage layers/paths in Scribus (like > >> you can with TIFF and PSD)? > > > > Since when is ORA even close to being a finished spec? > > Heh, SVG *is* a finished spec. Does it help supporting it well? Sorry, > but your argument doesn't work. Do come up with something else, please Well, before denigrating others, what about about reading? I was talking about ORA and you answer that SVG is a finished spec. Duh. > > :) > > My point is that free/libre apps have very poor interaction at present > time, be it graphics or audio. For various reasons. Lately this has > been changing with e.g. MyPaint adopting ORA as native format and its > team creating an I/O filter for GIMP, or LASH slowly becoming a good > enough solution for audio sessions management, but clearly this is not > enough. > > It's just like with GIMP -- pro users can excuse some non-optimal UI > solutions if they have access to a number of well-know hi-fi/end > features to get the job done. Getting job done in the real world among > other things means you can always open a file you were sent by a > client. But right now people have problems even creating 100% FLOSS > based workflows, and no -- it has nothing to do with particular > distributions or desktop environments or toolkits, no matter how *you* > like bashing Gtk+, GNOME and Ubuntu. > > A good part of the reason is in lack of contributors. But the other > half is that working on file formats support is a bloody boring work > that very few people want to do. > > >> Pick any pro user who does complete packages for companies (from > >> web-site to TV promos) and he'll tell you how easily you can pass data > >> between Ai, Ps, Fl and Ae. Yet another distro won't get us there and > >> there are people already who do "creative" distributions already, > >> based on Debian, Fedora, Slackware and whatnot. > > > > See above. And btw.: How easy is it to use a program that's not part of a > > certain vendor's portfolio, but actually more suited to the task in a > > workflow? > > Try opening a CDR from X4 in AI CS4 sometime. Your point being? > > > I agree with you in that "[y]et another distro won't get us there," but > > else you seem to be advocating an authoritarian approach. It won't > > happen, no matter how often you claim superior knowledge -- sorry for > > this, but your arrogant tone almost asked for a retaliation ;P > > This knowldege is not superior, it's just not evenly distributed among > humans :) Sorry to see you in the thinner later :) Oh, the all-knowing Prokoudine, smarter than the rest of the world. While you certainly are entitled to abrasive and impolite behaviour, I don't see how this is constructive in any way. > > > Moreover, I'd be glad if you were more careful with statements like "Pick > > any pro user." Like it or not, there are millions of professionals out > > there who use a mix of different applications and vendors to get their > > work done. > > Pick any pro CS user. Do you like it better now? :) No, as it doesn't make sense. A lot of people use only parts of CS in combination with other programs. And a lot of people don't use it at all. That's the reality. > > >> Please stop using 199x distros :) Modern Qt4 apps can use Gtk+ file > >> dialogs just fine when launched in GNOME > > > > Since you are aware of of my (strictly personal) distaste for Gnome, I > > won't comment any further, except that we seemed to agree at some point > > that the Gnome/GTK+ file dialogs are a PITA ;P > > Wrong Maybe, but that doesn't solve the problem. > > EOT for me. You contradict for the sake of contradiction. This is > leading nowhere. Err, just because I don't share all of your views, I contradict for the sake of contradiction. Interesting. I really wonder why you actually take part in this discussion, as you absolutely love to play the knowitall. Reminder: You are not the CEO of Create Inc. Hint: This is discussion is not about black and white, right or wrong, but about better or worse (which will always be in the eye of the beholder). Cheers Christoph _______________________________________________ CREATE mailing list [email protected] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
