hi i don't really agree with the points louis mentioned, but i don't think that i want to argue about it any more.
i have the feeling that with my views, i'm a lonely minority in the LG community and i will refrain in the future from bringing new ideas or commenting on other peoples ones. i may have changed or the community has changed. i don't know. the fact is that i currently don't appreciate the way we are discussing in this list. and i don't like most decisions which are taken (and the reasons behind those decisions). i will keep on doing things, when there are tasks i can fulfill but won't propose any myself. have a nice evening a.l.e > totally +1 > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Louis Desjardins > <[email protected]> wrote: > > 2010/8/17 a.l.e <[email protected]> > >> > >> hi ricardo > >> > >> after having read your mail some more thoughts about the way i > >> "see" the magazine... it's just my opinion, of course! > >> > >> - as far as i am concerned, you and ana are very welcome to create > >> further issues of the lgmag! at the same time, i'd also like to > >> see other crews creating "their" lgmag! > > > > But Ale, that "their" you put here... doesn’t it defeat the idea of > > gathering and joining forces around one project? > > > > 1. It’s been already hard enough (took 5 years) to find a > > state-of-the-art design crew. Now we have one! > > > > 2. Let’s continue in that direction with the goal of publishing on > > a regular basis and desperately stick to that rythm! > > > > 3. Start with a quarterly, keep it like that for a year, increase > > the number of pages if necessary, until we reach the point where > > the project seems viable enough and has drawn much attention and > > interest and then accelerate the rythm of issuing to every 2 > > months. If we can, increase the rythm to a monthly publication. > > > > 5. With time, we’ll be able to show and store on the website a > > large array of issues. Every year at LGM the issues of the year > > will be physically available. > > > > 6. Those would be always available to download and print. > > > > Bringing such a project to life will already be a solid statement > > of what we can achieve as an organisation, using F/LOSS. Showing > > those issues at each LGM will also draw attention. It will > > encourage people to use the software and create with it. > > > > In order to keep production cost as low as possible and at the same > > concentrating as much as possible on an interesting content I would > > suggest we start with either a black and white publication > > (remember, in design black is a color) at least for the interior > > pages, or that we start with a color cover (C1-C4) and the interior > > in black ink. That way we could print at very low cost and most > > everybody could handle the printing locally withoug busting any > > budget. And we can have a state-of-the-art magazine. > > > >> > >> it would be wonderful to have some sort of main group managing it > >> and -- on top of it -- some people who could freely work on single > >> issues. that way i'd like to make some publicity for people > >> already working with free tools and get some new designers to try > >> out our programs. every crew will be free to have it's own > >> approach to the magazine. both on the content and form side (well, > >> i prefer a form which is easy to print, of course). the community > >> would be there to help feeding the content. > > > > This seems to me quite complicated but I am of course ready to be > > proved wrong! :) > > > > The main drawback I see to that idea is it drives us away from > > having a solid, gathering brand. > > > > As I mentionned above, let’s keep the work on target with the > > people we have. It’s already hard enough. > >> > >> - about pdf / paper / web: i would also love to produce every > >> issue on paper, but i wonder if, on the one side, we can find the > >> money to print it and, on the other side, if we have the channels > >> to distribute the printed copies. > > > > The question about the channels is spot-on. The same question could > > be raised about the community filling content. Do we have the > > people to write all that stuff? > > > >> > >> very likely, most of the content which will be in each issue will > >> already be available somewhere on the web. one of the reasons why > >> i've pushed the idea of a magazine is to have an archive of > >> selected topics anybody could download and get a clue what that > >> "libre graphics" thing is. in that sense a "clunky" pdf does make > >> sense to me. if we can produce a magazine which is easy to print > >> in few copies, i guess that anybody needing a few dozen copies can > >> print them at the nearest print shop. (more expensive to print, > >> but cheaper to spread around the world) > > > > Defintely yes: print locally and in small quantities is the way to > > go. > > > > At the same time we’re going to need a PDF version, no? > >> > >> - after having produced a few issues on paper and/or on pdf, i > >> guess it will be much easier to find some sponsoring... i hope! (i > >> have already an idea where i could ask here in switzerland. but i > >> need to have some more issues and i can't ask any money for this > >> year anymore). > > > > I would suggest to secure the few sponsors we have for LGM and > > offer them a bit more visibility (it’s still close to nothing > > considering the close to nothing expected circulation numbers of > > the magazine, so far). But of course people are encouraged to find > > a local sponsor to print the copies they need. > > > >> > >> i'd also like to have some sort of subscription model... but > >> since we still don't have a schedule, a clear direction, nor a way > >> to manage the money, i guess it's still a bit too early to talk > >> about it! > > > > Exact. Much too early! :) > >> > >> i guess that for now the best thing would be to just do some > >> magazines and not talk too much about what the magazine should not > >> be or what its limits are. > > > > Let’s put the next one together and keep in mind we’ll produce one > > every 3 months from now on... That’s already a decent goal, in my > > view. > >> > >> let's just do it! and we will see in which direction the wind > >> blows! > > > > Let’s set the sails and decide where we go no matter the wind > > direction! :) > >> > >> ciao > >> a.l.e > > > > À la prochaine ! > > > > Louis > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 08/16/2010 10:57 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > >> > > I had the magazine idea a year ago: as a concept, few layout > >> > > ideas and content plan for a couple of issues. But never had a > >> > > team to support it and didn't see a way to make it financially > >> > > rewarding. Ginger and Ricardo picked the idea > >> > > >> > and Ana Carvalho > >> > > >> > > and then Libre Graphics Magazine #0 was done > >> > > for LGM this year. In three days. > >> > > >> > Production was two days, actually :o) > >> > > >> > > Amazing job they did, by the way. I > >> > > wonder if they intend to work further on it. > >> > > >> > This is a good cue. Ginger's reply said everything i would have > >> > -- having a real object that we can show people how FLOSS tools > >> > can get the job done nicely is 1000x more effective in promoting > >> > FLOSS tools than dry evangelising about software packages and > >> > their pros and cons. > >> > > >> > Me and Ana would definitely be happy to go further with LGMag. > >> > Let me emphasise that the #0 issue was produced on a 2-day > >> > sprint -- definitely shedding my own preconceptions that > >> > publishing a magazine would be a more sluggish and convoluted > >> > process*. And having that issue to show skeptical designers how > >> > FLOSS can get stuff done is a godsend. > >> > > >> > So yes, the team from LGM Magazine #0 is up for going on with the > >> > project. We can go on discussing this on another thread. > >> > > >> > One remark though -- i'm not fond of the idea of a PDF-only > >> > magazine. Sure, we'd need to get funding and/or sponsorship to > >> > support the printing costs, but a printed publication is many > >> > things that a PDF file is not. (also, if it would be > >> > online-only, better to have a website containing the desired > >> > content than a clunky PDF, IMHO.) > >> > > >> > :r > >> > > >> > * And of course, Ginger's awesome copyediting-fu is much to > >> > blame for this having turned out right. > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > CREATE mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CREATE mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CREATE mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ CREATE mailing list [email protected] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
