Hi all,
Here's the notes we took on the day - names need surely need a second look.
Bestest, lara
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network meeting madrid lgm 2013 friday 12th april
lara/femke/dave notes
aymeric is welcoming all and intro: wdka os free culture integration education.
is recognising interesting other intiatives and difficulties of reinventing edu
strategies thus creating framework for creating a network and a mini database
of who and where that we can use to help each other - introducing the purpose
of meeting
a: proposing introduction of all attendees
femke:
anna ricardo: introducing her practice, ways to engage students and reflecting
on experiences. last year 2012, doing workshops at media lab prado. digitising
the typeface of media lab. 3 day ws open to non experts. 25 ppl. 2 groups. 2
typefaces. mentioning difficulties of teaching with floss, versions,
installation, compatibility.
ricardo la fuente: lecturer at porto fine arts, python for graphic designers.
graphic design tools for graph des students to fuse both adobe and floss. while
using logic behind software. no it support, difficulty of teaching late number
of students and low number of available support. messy department and hack free
culture to curriculum.
eloisa gasrto guerra: floss developer, trainer, graphic designer. working with
frederic jamie started in september different courses free software.
lila bagolle, córdoba: prof university, audio-visual design, photography,
licenses, public school. issues with floss and proprietary software, new
machines arrives, no training, illegal software. it restricting installation -
no discussion about floss, transparency of legal issues does not exist. she is
part of graphic libre community to gather designers and artist with free
software growing community.
enrique sessaro, mexico: wants to be public, street professor, not interested
in formal education paulo freire, rethink ideas, academic credentials for found
people of excluded and deprived. book as political object, literacy, knowledge.
free tools for creating and thinking about new publishing.
interested in anarchic methods of publishing, pamphlets etc. free culture
community in mexico exists but needs expanding idea. takes a lot of time and is
interested in pedagogy and methods of teaching free culture. to explain common
ideas ad share. what is happening with memory mind body and knowledge
larisa blazic, media artist based in london. teaching ba and ma courses
weirdness of UK education going backwards. Coming from diy culture. using that
experiencce in teaching. graphic communication. There is probably another
course -- new media. structure makes it very complicated to push these ideas.
it management and software suppliers. every suggestion to change is futile. i
hack into the curriculum, as a lecturer you can slip things… it gives
impenetrable firewalls, or to bring in other machines. creating a username is
already difficult. using web based projects to avoid this. processing, hotlglue
-- do not need installation. bizarre situation; onl
o relies on my own enthusiasm only -- needing a break.
lauren: new to floss 2 years editorial practises. using floss from the
beginning. working with students in a school. interested in sharing and
teaching floss. good platform for talking about collaborative tool.
femke: floss difficult and great tool to teach. difficult to deal with
evaluation at the end you judge individual. experiment with formal validation.
part of the problem we are struggling that is based on individual merit.
conventions and commercial ties - system is not ready for this kind of stuff.
jose bastil: not a professor, organised couple workshops on web design as fluid
and easy. developers culture. people are ready to use new tools. easy to teach
people and communicate open culture.
dave cross am: type design lectures at universities, all with free software.
working with it department? students do not need lab computers. using floss's
been really easy.
girl: formal and informal settings ma student...
manuel: publisher, web designer, publisher, teaching sporadically, using all
kinds of software for archiving or for whatever fits the purpose.
julien f: teaching in brussels arts school free software to students it went
well with students but bad with colleagues. proposing a course, class
orientated with free culture, sharing, floss, - then go as a regular teacher.
dissaointed by difficult experiences started monthly workshops on blender and
python. when he was a student was quicker than lecturers in integrating new
technology where students and teachers teach each other. floss is great way to
do it. but it al need be open and
guy with long white beard: for years been thinking about floss/university
solution. after interativos, communication discussion. presently retired but
was a teacher. ba degree. a lot of freedom, teaching operating systems and
networks. access to computers on my terms. when i teach os and networks
integrating into historical perspective to get the meaning, and explain why is
he pro linux…
loreta, itaian activist woman: teaching technical and theoretical. learning
html is easier, proporaitiry software desire to have a work the problem to
teach floss, political and economical issues, must be connected in teaching.
robert: designer, using floss, interested in educational part of the story.
important to teach , use free software.
lodivin, graphic designer, sop, contradictions of floss, way to rediscover
digital, the course is supped to - curious, a challenge, technically - there
was no computers, how to manage difference. different domain, discipline -
sculpture, design… id. it takes time to switch. they (students) just how told
change the way you are working. optional courses. bachelor 1/2/3 it is not
pushed, free to do or choose direction, but no support from the institution.
wndy, constant: open hardware wearable electronics, licenses and artistic
practice, hacking the school, your system is hostile, often you do not want to
preach but you end up preaching. rarely you find a school that is easy. unlike
piet wart. constant/longevity.
katrin: project coordinator. ping, main interest informal education invited to
make. … the idea was to discuss the idea with other labs.I initiated to project
with other who are here. I am happy, the 2 years long project at the normic
university, labs sharing knowledge of methods and pedagogy, how they do their
daily work and interventions in schools. we discuss a lot the issues and new
projects came up like LGM. I feel that there is a huge need to sustain these
issues with networks like this one. nodes are the best way to work, to
implement these ideas. my interest is how to find and sustain an economy for
this network and new approaches. i am convinced there is a lot to do, to
invent, its a collaborative area so we can work together. I'm interested in
economical issues, we can share output between nodes.
kallan: I'm a student, its cool to be here. I go to school in Brussels, and
most digital things are hard to consider. its an art school, design is one
department of many. ...
Pierre Huggybart: I teach at La Cambre and ERG in Brussels. ERG School is
focused on research, the R in the name is for research. lacambre is more
conservative. i asked myself the last 7 years why i give lessons there. every
year i say i have to quit but at the end i became a professor and commit to it.
i am mr open source in that school. it can be painful, there is a tension, i
don't have the skills of programming. i hack indesign lessons for years, i see
that when i attempt to go too experimental i get official notice its too
experimental. doing grep in indesign is super powerful, and for others to
discover, and from there you can explain other things. I am a founder of OSP,
alex and pierre marchand from OSP do workshops. i teach graphic design but also
print making, and there you expect that the things you do can be done in
groups, its better to be in groups. that can be useful. printing is linked for
years with different kinds of processes. lacambre
is linked to digital design, and it will be useful for me to refer to a group
like that (even more for my director) and I'm jealous of the Piet Zwart wiki.
Elsa Vermeer (?): I co ordinate cross lab, since 18 months I've done research
in 'creating …' and in my research I focus on the role of software in art and
design education. there is digital media, i want to introduce it in a different
way, critically look at the role of tech in society. learn students to work
with media in a experimental way, eigenstin (?). art schools are mostly with
strict disciplines, product, fashion, graphic design. this is something cross
lab tries to change. we are implementing things for all programs, about
research in digital media, reflecting on it. that was the prelude to where we
are now. the problem with art and design schools is that they have a strange
relation with technology, for us we can (like ludic) use draw lab, so students
don't just consume media. thats fundamental to attitude changing first before
you introduce libre software.
Vienna: I work with Elsa on a big change in our curriculum, new management were
happy with something cross platform and new. thats critical to our success at
introducing libre graphics to the school. the management like the abstract idea
but the reality is difficult so we still have to fight for it.
Elsa: we can introduce different ideas of how to work with digital media from
the start of the degree. its important not to focus on tools but attitudes and
what you can do with it. in the end, its important what you make with the
tools. we introduce digital design, data design. libre philosophy is at the
heart of it but its more than that, and it doesnt have to be software or a
program that comes out of it.
Stephanie: I'm in OSP, not teaching. I work with Alex. Its frustrating to
develop long term input to students with workshops. i wanted to teach for a
long time and maybe i will replace ludi at erg. there is a lot of scope for
images, vectors, and other projects. designers are afraid of libre graphics, as
print designers don't like digital culture. a confrontation with text, as
content and as visual. alex lighting talk, we are working on the LGRU reader.
Alex: I am OSP in brussels too. I'm not a teacher but i like to teach. i want
to contribute, well, i am at lacambre workshops, i work in the digital art
dept. its isolated, you give tech tutorials for others; its isolated from a
wider curriculum. there are 2 semesters, 1 web and 1 print. i propose to avoid
the divide, its no longer making sense. people said, web is easy to use libre
tools. we use indesign, i didn't use it for 4 years. in a way, like my idea to
combine web and print, i try to look at things in a transversal way. indesign
stylesheet, latex, css, and other tools. it can be a way to infiltrate the
proprietary dominance. libre software is useful here because it shows how its
made, its a great way to enter an area, if you can see how it works. you can
work with things in the future too, libre software are transitional objects.
Nicolas: I am OSP too. I teach, i work, i teach again. i taught at a technical
school with a graphic design fourse. we tried to experiment with free software
but didn't go. in erg we did get it there, it seemed like a big victory. but
then, there were mixed feelings, because what happened was that my colleagues
who are more boss like, so we put forward the idea of libre software, the tools
and so on strongly in mind, you realise that this is the small problem. the big
issue is the pedagogy, the dialog with students, i must say that this for me is
a revealing experience. i thought yeah, we have this curriculum. i left after 2
years because i wasn't happy with teaching. since then i did some work with
schools, one in barcelona, run partially by not just open source gimp or
inkscape ut looking at the philosophy, collaboration. academic commons was a
platform for teachers and researchers to open their classroom to those onot
subscribed to these school. at
the moment many schools were going for distance learning. … but one of the key
people in the project passed away so it is on pause. so, when we bring libre
software to schools, it can turn to another issue, just like photoshop. like
femke i want to not be limited to just our classroom, but see how this can
change the whole system of the school. this will fall short if we do new
subjects without changingg the old dynamic.
Mirella: I'm a product designer, in a project 'surprise your life' or something
translated like that. we work with tools and materials we have all around us,
just to try to give solutions to everyday problems. one of the actives is
workshops with different people, usually product design students, and in
colleges we use a methodology that starts with a technique, and a material that
is found all around us. design is a tool, it should give solutions to problems.
so i am interested to share resources on the net, and how to use the waste in
the school system for our own purposes.
christophe: ii worked on …
ginger: i am an editor of libre graphics magazine. I'm a phd student at u of
toronto. i teach other peoples curricula to younger students. when i had a phd,
i may write a curricula and I'm interested to see existing practices.
???: Id like to see a course sprint. like a booksprint, but to make a 20-30
hour course in 2-3 days and publish it as OEr. key to me is finding academic
instructions to pay people to get in a room and liberate that knowledge to the
web. i like this network to do the same thing. our peer group is people like
us. our customer is the institutions. i use book type, a tested toolkit, it
easy to use. i encourage people to use the inkscape, scribes and font forge
manual, using them, remixigint hem, and sharing it back. the more we use it, he
more its alive. i like adding a chapter zero, that explains the context of that
edition. on saturday i hope to translate floss manuals to spanish.
manuel: who here has published OER?
pierre marchand: i do free software development, i work with OSP on many
projects including workshops where i am intended to give something away. i hear
this meeting as teachers thinking about what is next in their programme. i hate
schools, i find them revolting since i was a teenager. i don't want to be
educated. what to do? I really like to share experiences, i like this sentence
'learning situations' - it didn't say who will learn what. its a situation,
something is on the table. i was happy when nicolas said not putting free
software in schools but to free schools. thats the question, why i am
interested in this networrk.
1st person: so this is a hello session, to see who is doing what and why. my
interest is that i have been 4 years as an admin, and before i worked as an
artist doing teaching around the world. i see both POVs, now i am again part of
academia, i see people with passion who must deal with a heavy structure. …
this network is something we can show, that there is something bigger, its not
just one crazy person, its a wider movement. so having a simple purpose, to use
it as a pool so we know who we can ask when we have questions. if someone wants
a workshop on libre typography, we can see the list and who is near who can do
it. to organise these situations. not a social contract, but id like us all to
keep each other informed about what we are doing. its simple and down to earth,
the network is just people with the same interest.
femke: i agree that a simple formality, so when you deal with official people,
you can say you are part of the nework mmm mmmm and that is useful.
manuel: i have 2 ideas. there is a stem of validation, this network could
answer that. the network could have its own network of validation of what we
think is valuable. like how bit coin disrupts traditional banking. 2nd thing,
with reputation, then you can give labels to schools to say that they meet our
standards.
femke: so you will set up a mailing list and we will discuss there. but i think
a formal sounding name can help.
pierre huggybear: in belgium there was a similar small group, 'open source open
course'
femke: thank you all for attending!
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From: Femke Snelting <[email protected]>
To: Create <[email protected]>
Cc: Loraine Furter <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013, 18:51
Subject: Re: [CREATE] Titan-pad worskhop LGM
Hello Elisa,
Lara and Loraine took off-line notes -- maybe they can send them raw or quickly
merge them somewhere? Preliminary notes are here:
http://lgru.pad.constantvzw.org:8000/145
Also, this might be interesting: http://reader.lgru.net/pages/index (some texts
in Spanish and French)
F
On 16/04/13 15:10, Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra wrote:
> Hi,
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> Anybody have the url of the pad of "Towards a network of free culture
> aware educators in art and design education" workshop ?
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Elisa
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> fr.flossmanuals.net/
> afgral.org
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