Thanks Martin and Christian-Emil, for the explanations. Honestly, I had forgotten about P137 ... and P182 ...
Therefore I revise my vote to YES. Detlev > Christian-Emil Smith Ore <[email protected]> hat am 12. Januar 2020 um > 20:33 geschrieben: > > > Dear all, > > It may seem very dramatic to move the P114-P120 to CRMarcheo. It is not > These properties correspond more or less to the Allen operators which are not > always ideal. Several years ago the SIG introduced the following alternatives: > > > P173 starts before or at the end of (ends with or after the start of): E2 > Temporal Entity > P174 starts before (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal Entity > P175 starts before or with the start of (starts with or after the start of) : > E2 Temporal Entity > P176 starts before the start of (starts after the start of): E2 Temporal > Entity > P182 ends before or at the start of (starts with or after the end of) : E2 > Temporal Entity > P183 ends before the start of (starts after the end of) : E2 Temporal Entity > P184 ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of) : E2 > Temporal Entity > P185 ends before the end of (ends after the end of): E2 Temporal Entity > > These eight properties are superproperties of the P114-P120 as shown below. > The original idea (when P173-P185 where introduced, entirely was to > deprecate the P114-P120. However, it is too radical to simply remove them > as the two comments in this email exchange show. Since they are considered > useful in archaeology the idea is to put them there. > > Best, > Christian-Emil > > > > > P173 starts before or with the end of (ends after or with the start of) > > P119i - is met in time by > > P174 - starts before the end of (ends after the start of) > > P118i - - is overlapped in time by > > P134 - - continued (was continued by) E7 Activity <-> E7 > Activity > > P175 - - starts before or with the start of (starts after or with the > start of) > > P176 - - - starts before the start of (starts after the start of) > > P115i - - - - is finished by > > P117i - - - - includes > > P118 - - - - overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by) > > P182 - - - - ends before or at the start of (starts after or with > the end of) > > P119 - - - - - meets in time with (is met in time by) > > P183 - - - - - ends before the start of (starts after the end of) > > P120 - - - - - - occurs before (occurs after) > > P116 - - - starts (is started by) > > P114 - - - is equal in time to > > P184 - - ends before or with the end of (ends with or after the end of) > > P114 - - - is equal in time to > > P115 - - - finishes (is finished by) > > P185 - - - ends before the end of (ends after the end of) > > P116 - - - - starts (is started by) > > P117 - - - - occurs during (includes) > > P182 - - - - ends before or at the start of (starts after or with > the end of) > > P118 - - - - overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by) > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Crm-sig <[email protected]> on behalf of Francesco Beretta > <[email protected]> > Sent: 12 January 2020 11:54 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE P114-P120 VOTE > > > Dear Martin and Christian-Emil, > > 1. is there any replacement foreseen for these quite useful properties in > CRMbase ? > > 2. for the sake of clear documentation and legacy the vote proposal should be > associated with the list and links to the correspondent issues, shouldn't it ? > > 3. I'm quite in favour of this vision of a core (CRMbase) and extensions (the > family) but shouldn't we start working on a clear formalization of this > integration (cf. e.g. the TEI) – or is this already done and I just don't > know where to find it ? > > 4. One aspect of this task is to have a consistent URI definitions and > dereferencing for CRMbase and family and their different versions. > > > I think point 1 and 2 should be clarified to the voters before we vote. Just > avoir B..x.. situations. > > > All the best > > Francesco > > > Le 12.01.20 à 11:13, Martin Doerr a écrit : > Dear All, > > If you agree that > > "the following Allen's temporal relations should be deprecated in the CRMbase > and reappear in CRMarcheo: > > P114 is equal in time to > P115 finishes (is finished by) > P116 starts (is started by) > P117 occurs during (includes) > P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by) > P119 meets in time with (is met in time by) > P120 occurs before (occurs after)" > PLEASE VOTE "YES" > otherwise "NO" > Best, > Martin > > On 1/12/2020 10:29 AM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote: > Dear all, > In the October 2019 meeting in Iraklio, we did a general cleanup of the > CRM-document based on Martin's and my general review. It was a general > understanding that the SIG had decided that the following temporal relations > should be deprecated in the CRMbase and reappear in CRMarcheo: > P114 is equal in time to > P115 finishes (is finished by) > P116 starts (is started by) > P117 occurs during (includes) > P118 overlaps in time with (is overlapped in time by) > P119 meets in time with (is met in time by) > P120 occurs before (occurs after) > > However, I cannot find any traces of such a decision neither in the amendment > part, in the minutes the previous two years nor in the list of issues. > > I suggest that this decision could be done by email vote. > > Best, > Christian-Emil > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig _______________________________________________ Crm-sig mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
