I'd be happy with "cultural and scientific heritage". Presumably there
is a certain amount of formality to be observed in updating the text of
the CRM document itself, even the explanatory sections, given that it is
an ISO Standard?
BTW, I'm currently keeping my promise to review the web site design: a
"site map with comments" will be on its way to the list later today or
tomorrow.
Richard
On 20/02/2014 15:48, martin wrote:
Thank you! Sound good.
In "practice", the real scope the CRM ended up with is human
activities and their products in the past and their current evidence.
We apply it quite successfully to scientific records ("metadata") of
all sciences, and Joao even referred to legislation activities. In
European Commission Jargon, they often talk about "cultural and
scientific heritage" in the framework of research funds.
Best,
Martin
On 20/2/2014 2:31 ??, Richard Light wrote:
Hi,
OK, thanks: I think I now understand what is going on. The documents
defining the CRM make reference to the web site page [1], noting that
it provides more detail. (BTW, the URL in the CRM footnote is out of
date [2].)
It looks as though the web page has [subsequently?] been updated so
that it goes beyond what the CRM document says. Your question is
about "Practical scope", but in fact the web site Scope page broadens
out the definition of "Intended scope" [3]. Clearly it would make
sense for the two to be re-aligned, and I would support changing the
"Intended scope" definition in the CRM document so that it matches
the web page wording. In addition, the bullet point wording on the
web page has been updated, compared with the CRM document text.
Shouldn't the two be the same?
[This raises a more general issue: is it wise to include "quotations"
from the CRM text as web page content on the CRM site? As soon as
you do so, there is the challenge of keeping the two versions in
synch with each other, and/or of making clear to the reader which is
the authoritative version.]
I would make a rather different point about "Practical scope". I
agree that it should have "museum documentation" replaced by
"cultural heritage". However, what interests me is that the wording
in the CRM document [4] doesn't state plainly what is actually going
on. The wording isn't actually wrong, it just isn't very helpful. I
would prefer it if the document said "The Practical Scope^2 of the
CRM is the set of /cultural heritage /standards /which //have been
mapped to the CRM/. The CRM covers the same domain of discourse as
the union of these reference standards; this means that /for/ data
correctly encoded according to these /cultural heritage /standards
there can be a CRM-compatible expression that conveys the same
meaning." (changes in italic) Then footnote 2 could say "The
Practical Scope of the CRM is constantly increasing as mapping
projects are completed. See http://www.cidoc-crm.org/scope.html for
an up-to-date list of cultural heritage standards for which CRM
mappings are available."
Best wishes,
Richard
[1] http://www.cidoc-crm.org/scope.html
[2] "The Practical Scope of the CIDOC CRM, including a list of the
relevant museum documentation standards, is discussed in more detail
on the CIDOC CRM website at /http://cidoc.ics.forth.gr/scope.html/";
[3] "The intended scope of the CIDOC CRM may be defined as all
information required for the scientific documentation of /cultural
heritage /collections"
On 19/02/2014 18:21, martin wrote:
It is in the definition of the CIDOC CRM version 5.0.2 (.doc/pdf)
and older.
Best,
Martin
On 19/2/2014 11:32 ??, Richard Light wrote:
Hi,
Where is this quote taken from? I don't find it anywhere on the
page of the CRM web site entitled "Scope", with sections "Intended
scope" and "Practical scope". [1] That page "defines" "Practical
scope" by listing all the data structures which have been mapped to
the CRM. Those data structures include library, archive and
generic metadata frameworks.
Richard
[1] http://cidoc-crm.org/scope.html
On 17/02/2014 20:13, martin wrote:
Dear All,
Should we define the practical scope of the CRM wider than "museums" ?
I believe yes:
"....the Practical Scope,
which is expressed by the overall scope of a reference set of specific
identifiable museum documentation standards and practices that the CRM aims to
encompass..."
Best,
Martin
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