Hi,

You may also have a look at our new  "WarSampo - Finnish World War II on the 
Semantic Web" [1]

http://seco.cs.aalto.fi/projects/sotasampo/en/

that is an in-use online RDF data service, based on CIDOC CRM, and seven 
applications on top of it, with tens of thousands of users cumulatively by now. 
Its knowledge graph has at the moment over 7 million triples (from, e.g., 160 
000 photos, 95 000 death records, etc.). The event-based approach is very 
suitable in domains such as history that is basically a sequence of events...

 [1] Eero Hyvönen, Erkki Heino, Petri Leskinen, Esko Ikkala, Mikko Koho, Minna 
Tamper, Jouni Tuominen and Eetu Mäkelä: WarSampo Data Service and Semantic 
Portal for Publishing Linked Open Data about the Second World War History. The 
Semantic Web – Latest Advances and New Domains (ESWC 2016) (Harald Sack, Eva 
Blomqvist, Mathieu d Aquin, Chiara Ghidini, Simone Paolo Ponzetto and Christoph 
Lange (eds.)), Springer-Verlag, May, 2016.
http://seco.cs.aalto.fi/publications/2016/hyvonen-et-al-warsa.pdf 

Best regards – terveisin

Eero
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-----Original Message-----
From: Crm-sig [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christian-Emil 
Smith Ore
Sent: 6. heinäkuuta 2016 21:08
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Quick question: In response to naysayers in DPLA 
discussion....

One may also point to the new national Danish museum system called SARA. This 
is not an rdf-based system. It is however based on CIDOC-CRM & Spectrum in the 
information architecture.  This is, in my view, the most important think. A 
decision to organize the information compliant with the basic principles of 
CIDOC-CRM, makes the task to map the data into a rdf-triplestore or to other 
interfaces for linked data almost trivial. See 
(https://kulturognaturreise.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/kulturstyrelsen-sara.pdf).
 Most of the other documentation is for natural reasons in Danish.

It may also be worthwhile to study Getty's Arches system (e.g. 
http://www.getty.edu/conservation/our_projects/field_projects/arches/) which 
have cidoc-crm included in a similar way to Wiski system.



Best
Christian-Emil


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Crm-sig [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of martin
>Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:26 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Quick question: In response to naysayers in DPLA 
>discussion....
>
>Dear Jim,
>
>You can point to researchspace.org, http://wiss-ki.eu/. Both are 
>scalable OWL/RDF-based implementations, with complete data sets from 
>some of the largest museums of Europe.
>See also http://archesproject.org/ and
>http://www.clarosnet.org/XDB/ASP/clarosHome/
>The take-up of the CRM is very encouraging these days.
>
>The argument is non-sensical, it is not the CRM that lags behind, but 
>the IT technology.
>
>Only about the year 2010, scalable Open Source Triple Stores with 
>industrial quality appeared on the market, that could manage "contexts" 
>or Named Graphs, also called "quad  stores". Without the latter, 
>integrating data in such environments meets an unsolvable "data warehouse 
>update problem".
>
>Since 2010, the normal development cycle needs 5 years to come up with 
>stable applications.
>
>Simply, the CRM was 12 years ahead of its time (first version finished 1998).
>The reason being, that we at ICS-FORTH could demonstrate the technology 
>with our in-house solution, the SIS system, long before other scalable 
>semantic network databases with an RDF-like datamodel were available. 
>On the one side, marketing the SIS system with all the continous 
>portings to new platforms exceeded the capacity of our team. On the 
>other side, to be so far ahead gave the CRM a long time to mature, 
>which rarely any other competitive model had.
>
>All the best,
>
>Martin
>
>
>On 6/7/2016 6:08 πμ, Jim Salmons wrote:
>
>
>       Hello CRM SIG folk,
>
>
>
>       In a Twitter exchange where I expressed my disappointment in the 
>closed membership and non-transparent nature of the DPLA ADWG (Archival 
>Description Working Group), and disappointment in the recently posted 
>Developer for Data and Usage Analytics job posting 
>(https://goo.gl/rhckCk) not recognizing international standards such as 
>the #cidocCRM, there has been a strong condemnation of the #cidocCRM 
>stating that it not be taken seriously because “there are no major 
>scalable production systems after all these years” ( 
><https://twitter.com/ewg118/status/750519840545398786>
>https://twitter.com/ewg118/status/750519840545398786).
>
>
>
>       As my interest, research, and limited professional exposure is not in 
>this realm of “major scalable production systems,” I would appreciate 
>any advice for examples to counter this opinion.
>
>
>
>       Thank you,
>
>
>
>           Happy-Healthy Vibes,
>
>           -: Jim :-
>
>
>
>           Jim Salmons and Timlynn Babitsky
>
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>@Softalk_Apple
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