On 3/9/2019 11:22 AM, Nicola Carboni wrote:
Dear Martin,
Nevertheless I like the "artist" example, because it is a vague
attribution, but useful. Exactly the things we prefer to put in E55 Type.
I am intrigued by the different ways someone may be identified as
artist. It reminds me the discourse about "my true mother" of George
Lakoff in "Women, Fire and Dangerous Things”. The question is of
course, if we could find an ontology as example which makes some
objective ontological distinctions, such as people having studied
fine arts, or being organized in a community of artists, or make a
living by producing art. For reasoning with CRM classes, an
interesting question is, if we can infer an artist from her products,
or e.g., awards, without classifying the person.
That is indeed a tricky definition, and I agree that should not rely
on an ontological commitment. In my opinion it should be dealt with a
set of rules formalised by each institution depending on their
view/culture reflect the conceptualisation of Artist.
From a functional perspective, N3 is in my opinion the best way to go.
A brief example would be:
{?X crm:P14_performed ?Y . ?Y crm:p2_has_type "exhibition".} => {?X a
ex:Artist.} .
it is pretty simple way to assign the class Artist to a person on the
base of a set of rules. Could that work?
Yes. I believe non-IT experts could best handle a graphical tool, on
which deduction paths could be highlighted.
Even the "?Y.?Y" above is distracting.
The only problem I see is that current automatic RDFS graphical
visualizations are cluttered with meaninglessly huge URIs and bad
layout, huge arcs circling around.
May be someone knows a good intuitive tool?
Cheers,
Martin
Best,
Nicola
On 8 Mar 2019, at 19:36, Martin Doerr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 3/7/2019 11:02 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote:
Martin, all,
One thing to note about the dbpedia ontology is that it is derived
from the infobox sections of Wikipedia, mostly automatically.
So this could be a very artificial alignment, and I would not put
too much emphasis on it as a precedent.
Yes, I see.
Nevertheless I like the "artist" example, because it is a vague
attribution, but useful. Exactly the things we prefer to put in E55 Type.
I am intrigued by the different ways someone may be identified as
artist. It reminds me the discourse about "my true mother" of George
Lakoff in "Women, Fire and Dangerous Things". The question is of
course, if we could find an ontology as example which makes some
objective ontological distinctions, such as people having studied
fine arts, or being organized in a community of artists, or make a
living by producing art.
For reasoning with CRM classes, an interesting question is, if we can
infer an artist from her products, or e.g., awards, without
classifying the person.
Best,
Martin
Rob
*From:*Crm-sig<[email protected]>on behalf of Martin
Doerr<[email protected]>
*Date:*Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 10:07 AM
*To:*crm-sig<[email protected]>
*Subject:*[Crm-sig] Issue 277 "artist"
Dear All,
For the test about types there was a question in which context a
class "Artist" may have been defined. I found one in dbpedia:
http://dbpedia.org/ontology/Artist
I am not sure how to refer to this in our text. One may point to the
utility of replacing classes with types for the mapping.
Reading the properties of this artist definition carefully, one may
ask which of those are actually be restricted to artists, and which
"make artists" out of a person: the awards. The latter is obviously
common reasoning, but we would not populate the CRM with such
secondary concepts for reasons of maintaining a core.
Best,
martin
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