Dear Patrick,
Thank you very much for your elaborate thoughts!:-)
On 5/13/2019 11:45 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Martin, and dear all,
I'm sorry I couldn't attend the meeting, and I'm therefore not aware
of the discussions that underlie this scope note. I think that the
idea of declaring a specific class for the process of conveying
information in a sensory form (for this is how I understand this new
class) is extremely useful and interesting, so much so that I think it
shouldn't be confined to LRMoo alone, but should be uplifted into
CIDOC CRM, with additional examples taken from the universe of
discourse of CIDOC CRM (such as a sculptor making a sculpture, an art
student painting a copy of Mona Lisa, the Greek runner notifying
Athenian citizens that their soldiers have won the Marathon battle,
etc. -- perhaps even Martin or Steve giving a CIDOC CRM tutorial?).
That is indeed a justified thought, but all the context comes from LRM,
and we have problems to keep CRMbase concise enough. So I'd rather tend
to leave it in LRM.
In the proposed scope note, which is overall fine with me, I simply
have some doubts about the clause "intended for being received in this
completeness by some audience"; while I agree that this is generally
the case, there are also many counter-examples: rehearsals are
instances of Externalization Event, although the intention is only
indirect here (performers rehearse in order to improve what the
audience will receive in a later event); a teenager writing a diary
may not want any audience to read the externalized Expression, and it
is unclear whether Franz Kafka or Emily Dickison were OK with the idea
of having their externalized Expressions reach an audience, as they
requested that all their manuscripts be destroyed after their death;
and I'm also thinking of Mediaeval and Eastern performances which are
only intended to be seen by God or the gods (unless we regard God or
the gods as a valid instance of audience). However, it is possible to
solve the issue by saying that the instances of E39 Actor who
externalize such Expressions are themselves their own audience,
possibly the only audience for which those complete Expressions are
intended.
Well, difficult. In any case, the manuscripts were in a form potentially
for an external audience. I wrote this phrase to make sure that not each
utterance of a phoneme is regarded as externalization event. Since we
model "bottom-up", I'd like to make sure we catch well the regular
cases. The question, if private notes should be published, is quite
interesting. Anybody has a right to hide and destroy his products, be it
artists, researchers, technicians or amateurs in any capacity. The
posthumous hunt for half-finished products of an artist is another
social phenomenon.
For the time being, I'd rather concentrate on the intended
externalizations, taking gods for a valid audience. But, we need a good
way to describe the posthumous publication of fragmentary material. I'd
rather tend to blame the editor for it?
As for the label for the new property, rather than "has memorization",
I would think of something like "Rxx is witnessed in / is a witness
of" (in the sense of codicology and textual criticism: manuscripts are
called "witnesses" of a text tradition). The resulting Expression is
but a "witness" of what happened during the Externalization Event.
Sounds intellectually very clean, but I fear the narrower sense of
"witness" will confuse people in case of recordings and simple writing??
All the best,
Martin
At any rate, congratulations for this significant addition to the
model, no matter whether it is LRMoo or CIDOC CRM!
Best wishes,
Patrick
De : "Martin Doerr" <[email protected]>
A : "crm-sig" <[email protected]>
Date : 12/05/2019 21:38
Objet : [Crm-sig] Homework: New class Externalization for LRMoo
Envoyé par : "Crm-sig" <[email protected]>
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Dear All,
Here the scope note for the new class "Externalization Event" proposed
in the last meeting. This unifies the expression creation with the
performances on a higher level.
The idea being, that the "true" expression is always the activity,
often being accidental what is recorded and in which way. The
manuscript writing can be seen as a lone performance, with a patient
paper under the hand holding the pen;-).
*
Fxx Externalization Event *
Subclass of: E7 Activity
Superclass of: F28 Expression Creation (may be superclass of E65
Creation!)
F31 Performance
Scope note: This class comprises activities of producing signs or
sensory impressions as an organized, coherent and complete
whole,intended for being received in this completeness by some
audience, either directly via their senses or via persistent media at
any later time. It comprises in particular novel expressions of
thought, art in all forms, including rendering existing expressions,
such as musical scores, theater plays or texts, in an individual way
in performing arts or by graphic design.
Examples: The creation of the original manuscript score of ‘Uwertura
tragiczna’ by Andrzej Panufnik in 1942 in Warsaw (F28)
The reconstruction from memory of the manuscript score of ‘Uwertura
tragiczna’ by Andrzej Panufnik in 1945 after the original score was
destroyed during the war (F28)
Performing the ballet entitled ‘Rite of spring’/,/as choreographed by
Pina Bausch, in Avignon, at the Popes’ Palace, on July 7, 1995
[individual performance] (F31)
Performing the operatic work entitled ‘Dido and Aeneas’, as directed
by Edward Gordon Craig and conducted by Martin Shaw, in London,
Hampstead Conservatoire, on May 17, 18, and 19, 1900 [run of
performances] (F31)
Properties*: *_R19_ <#_R19_created_a>created a realisation of (was
realised through): _F1_ <#_F1_Work_1>Work
The property R19 goes up from F28 to new class. We need a more general
property from the Externalization Event to the persistent expressions
it produced or contributed to, be it a manuscript, a recording, a
painting of a theater scene. This property should generalize over_R17_
<#_R17_created_(was>created (was created by): _F2_
<#_F2_Expression>Expression.
I could think of "Rxx has memorization in: F2 Expression".
The point is, that the persistent Expression could be a product
directly of the "externalizers" or by the a member of the audience. If
an author dictates a text to a scribe, or Platon reporting Sokrates,
there is not much difference to someone taking video from a theater
performance. This means, that the range of "Rxx has memorization in:
F2 Expression" may or may not be product of another expression
creation. It will however always require presence of the secondary
creators in the primary externalization (or of a robot recording device).
Looking forward to your comments!
Martin
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