Dear Martin, These are very interesting and suggestive considerations. I will definitely treasure them.
Bests, Achille > Il giorno 27 mar 2021, alle ore 11:32, Martin Doerr <[email protected]> ha > scritto: > > Hi Achille, > > That is basically no problem. It can quite easily be formulated in FOL that > at least one of the Units must be an A2, and it should be in the scope note. > Anyway, lack of knowledge may require that the necessary A2 is not > documented. In that case, the FOL can make sure that one can infer such lack > of knowledge. > > More generally, as Nicola Guarino has written in his foundational paper, > formal ontologies try to minimize unintended applications, but cannot > completely exclude them. > > All the best, > > Martin > > On 3/26/2021 10:23 PM, Achille Felicetti wrote: >> Dear Martin, Christian-Emil, >> >> Thank you for the interesting insights. For the scenario described by Martin >> I fully agree with what he writes and surely it makes sense to consider an >> embedding as distributed among different layers in the very common case in >> which it spans over multiple and stratigraphic strata of different kind (A2 >> + A3). >> >> However, the problem that I see is formal, since changing the range of AP19 >> would allow the definition of triples like the following: >> >> (X is-a A7 embedding) —> AP19 is embedding in —> (Y is-a A3 Stratigraphic >> Interface) >> >> that will become formally correct from the point of view of the model, but >> conceptually disputable in my opinion. >> >> I can't think of a solution that accommodates everything. >> >> Best, >> A. >> >>> Il giorno 26 mar 2021, alle ore 19:35, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> ha scritto: >>> >>> Dear Christian-Emil, Achille, >>> >>> When talking about embeddings, I am not so much thinking of an isolated >>> item, but things like the Talheim Death Pit with thousands of bones, where >>> each exact position is vital for the assignment to complete corpses. >>> >>> I am also thinking of a thing embedded by multiple layers. First the lower >>> half, then the upper half. Should somehow be consistent with the physical >>> relations. The first would provide the chronology when the deposition >>> started. >>> >>> We can think of sets of Amphorae, upright metal objects or so, tall enough >>> to be embedded by multiple layers. >>> >>> This would justify embedding in A8, and A3 interfaces taking part in the >>> embedding, just as considering intersections of A3 Interfaces as physical >>> relations. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> On 3/26/2021 4:49 PM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig wrote: >>>> You are quite correct, it would be a 2-dimentional embedding. In the 2D >>>> world a pencil stroke is a unpassable hindrance. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On the other hand AP 9 is not a total property. And also not all persons >>>> can give birth at least not now. >>>> >>>> C-E >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Achille Felicetti <[email protected]> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Sent: 26 March 2021 11:30 >>>> To: Christian-Emil Smith Ore >>>> Cc: crm-sig >>>> Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] CRMarcheo -embedding >>>> >>>> Dear Christian-Emil, >>>> >>>> I understand the practical need of this operation, but I also fear that >>>> this may cause further conceptual inconsistencies since, I imagine, in no >>>> way an embedding can be embedded in an A3 as the latter is a feature. >>>> >>>> I think it would be more fruitful to apply a constrain on the use of A2 in >>>> case an A7 is instantiated … Is this reasonable? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> A. >>>> >>>>> Il giorno 26 mar 2021, alle ore 09:27, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via >>>>> Crm-sig <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> ha scritto: >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> In issue 447 the SIG has decided to make A7 Embedding a subclass of S20. >>>>> Ok. >>>>> In many excavations archaeologists record structures without specifying >>>>> layer (A2) versus surface (A3). Therefore such documented things can only >>>>> be modelled as instances of the A8, the superclass of A2 and A3. >>>>> Currently >>>>> AP19 is embedding in (contains embedding) [[D: A7 Embedding; R: A2 >>>>> Stratigraphic Volume Unit] >>>>> To be able to document an embedding in the documentation described above, >>>>> it would be beneficial to lift the range of AP19 to A8 Archeological Unit: >>>>> AP19 is embedding in (contains embedding) [[D: A7 Embedding; R: A8 A8 >>>>> Archeological Unit] >>>>> >>>>> Comments? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Christian-Emil >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Crm-sig mailing list >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >>>>> <http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Crm-sig mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >>>> <http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------ >>> Dr. Martin Doerr >>> >>> Honorary Head of the >>> >>> Center for Cultural Informatics >>> >>> Information Systems Laboratory >>> Institute of Computer Science >>> Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) >>> >>> N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, >>> GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece >>> >>> Vox:+30(2810)391625 >>> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl >>> <http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl>_______________________________________________ >>> Crm-sig mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >>> <http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig> >> > > > -- > ------------------------------------ > Dr. Martin Doerr > > Honorary Head of the > > Center for Cultural Informatics > > Information Systems Laboratory > Institute of Computer Science > Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) > > N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, > GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece > > Vox:+30(2810)391625 > Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl <http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl>
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