On 1/12/2022 10:45 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote:
Thanks Martin! :)
For the querying, I agree that if there's subProperty inferencing, and
you query for participated in, but the particular data uses carried
out by, that you'll still find it.
However without those inferences, or in our case, as a profile for as
few choices to make as possible in terms of implementation, we would
still need to pick one. Thus, as it's not P14, we should use P11 had
participant.
Yes, indeed!
Further, even if the inferences are not built-in, a S/W engineer can
write the respective "OR" condition in the query code to simulate the
superproperty.
Best,
Martin*
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R
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:33 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
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Dear Robert,
Yes, scope notes can always be improved!
The role of the child should definitely not be regarded as P14.
Necessary participation is definitey not meant by "causal" or
"legal responsibility" in this scope note. P14 is meant in an
active sense. In a sense, any participation may have an impact on
an event. This was not meant here.
Similarly, patients in a surgery are necessary, but do not carry
it out.
However, there are well-known criminal cases in which
participation without inhibiting murder etc. are regarded as
legally co-responsible. In that case, we should rather use P14, in
my opinion.
Since participation is a generalization of P14, the difference for
the recall/ precision of querying the CRM is however marginal.
Best,
Martin
On 1/12/2022 7:32 PM, Robert Sanderson via Crm-sig wrote:
Dear all,
A question came up in the Linked Art group today about the intent
of "causal" in the scope not for P14 carried out by.
The scope note reads, in its entirety:
This property describes the active participation of an
instance of E39 Actor in an instance of E7 Activity.It
implies causal or legal responsibility. The /P14.1 in the
role of /property of the property specifies the nature of an
Actor’s participation.
The particular scenario being discussed was the baptism of a
child and whether it could be said that the baby carried out the
activity or was merely a participant or present. The child is a
necessary participant in the activity, but does that make their
participation "causal"? Whether the child is actively or
passively participating seems difficult to determine so we didn't
rule P14 out on those grounds.
For such an important property, I think we could easily improve
the scope note :)
Rob
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