Hi Martin, Thanasis, So far the only IFLA vocabularies that are set up as linked data are here: ISBD: https://www.iflastandards.info/isbd The ISBD vocabularies include several around types of content form or type of medium, but these are more restricted than any of these CRM classes.
Unimarc: https://www.iflastandards.info/unimarc Here there are some very specific vocabularies about certain material types. There is really no vocabulary for the types of appellation relations for P139.1, in the IFLA space or others that I can think of. A bit surprising really. I think that is because in library files there may be a couple of cases that are specifically coded and all other cases are lumped together as general derivation rather than being explained. Similarly, I was sure we'd have a library vocabulary for P102.1 type of title, but actually it isn't a vocabulary but partially expressed in the element set. For the deprecated class P82 Actor Appellation, I agree with Melanie that we should not refer to FRAD which is superseded. But as for the other deprecated something-appellation classes, what the appellation names is expressed by the type of whatever the E41 is used for. Pat Pat Riva Acting University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim Concordia University / Université Concordia 1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331 Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8 Canada [email protected] ________________________________ From: Crm-sig <[email protected]> on behalf of Martin Doerr via Crm-sig <[email protected]> Sent: July 11, 2022 10:44 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Homework, Issue556 Dear Thanassi, I agree with all, except for: On 7/11/2022 3:50 PM, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote: Following this, I am also making a few recommendations on possible vocabularies based on my previous HW: * E4: type of period → do not make recommendation We need actually the interpretations of geopolitical units etc. I am working on this. * E10: type of transfer of custody * legal responsibility → possible AAT term [ownership](http://vocab.getty.edu/page/aat/300055603<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvocab.getty.edu%2Fpage%2Faat%2F300055603&data=05%7C01%7Cpat.riva%40concordia.ca%7Ccb0021b1185c4129632e08da634cc2b3%7C5569f185d22f4e139850ce5b1abcd2e8%7C0%7C0%7C637931478577607048%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7xJuqnfi4FhkRyuTi0hvwIS7S4abB4f0IBWiMq9Rk8A%3D&reserved=0>) * physical possession → possible AAT term [possession (property right)](http://vocab.getty.edu/page/aat/300411616<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvocab.getty.edu%2Fpage%2Faat%2F300411616&data=05%7C01%7Cpat.riva%40concordia.ca%7Ccb0021b1185c4129632e08da634cc2b3%7C5569f185d22f4e139850ce5b1abcd2e8%7C0%7C0%7C637931478577607048%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0AbiUteBUy8DUcGiRXUhlTfTtjitv9flmuqBWBXZmw8%3D&reserved=0>) Sounds good, we need also an illegal possession concept.. * E15: type of identifier assignment * "preferred identifier assignment" → CRM thesaurus * E34: type of alphabet * List of script names → [ISO15924](https://www.unicode.org/iso15924/iso15924-codes.html<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.unicode.org%2Fiso15924%2Fiso15924-codes.html&data=05%7C01%7Cpat.riva%40concordia.ca%7Ccb0021b1185c4129632e08da634cc2b3%7C5569f185d22f4e139850ce5b1abcd2e8%7C0%7C0%7C637931478577607048%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Dwyu1%2BE16nigYLJImqR%2FIar8smT4GSlUQmozjcneNtM%3D&reserved=0>) * E57: type of material → do not make recommendation * E58: type of unit * List of units → [ISO80000](https://www.iso.org/standard/30669.html<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fstandard%2F30669.html&data=05%7C01%7Cpat.riva%40concordia.ca%7Ccb0021b1185c4129632e08da634cc2b3%7C5569f185d22f4e139850ce5b1abcd2e8%7C0%7C0%7C637931478577607048%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GP9l7E8TIzca06EcQMTJAcP%2Bg15Hr6%2FsKEvmuur2%2Bbo%3D&reserved=0>) * P3.1: type of encoding, type of note → do not make recommendation * P14.1: type of role → do not make recommendation * P16.1: type of mode of use → do not make recommendation * P136.1: type of taxonomic role → do not make recommendation Actually I think we should recommend for biodiversity the GBIF terms, such as "holotype, lectotype" etc. someone to find the standard! * P19.1: type of use → do not make recommendation * P62.1: mode of depiction → unclear what this is, no example "front", "back", "outline".....missing example is an ISSUE! * P67.1: type of reference → do not make recommendation * P138.1: mode of representation → do not make recommendation "front", "back", "outline", or more.... missing example is an ISSUE! * P69.1: type of association → do not make recommendation * P102.1: type of title * child terms of AAT [titles](http://vocab.getty.edu/page/aat/300417193<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvocab.getty.edu%2Fpage%2Faat%2F300417193&data=05%7C01%7Cpat.riva%40concordia.ca%7Ccb0021b1185c4129632e08da634cc2b3%7C5569f185d22f4e139850ce5b1abcd2e8%7C0%7C0%7C637931478577607048%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=nSN65FTsJF4cqGWthKURP6Wqe8vuT2bBqYsngsB8lJ0%3D&reserved=0>) * P107.1: type of member → do not make recommendation * P130.1: type of similarity → do not make recommendation * P137.1: type of taxonomic role → do not make recommendation (well established in biology but not other disciplines) Actually I think we should recommend for biodiversity the GBIF terms, such as "holotype, lectotype" etc. someone to find the standard! * P139.1: type of alternative form → do not make recommendation Question to IFLA members. Is there a good vocabulary? * P144.1: type of membership → do not make recommendation * P189.1: type of approximation → unclear what this is, no example For instance, "centroid", "outer bound", "point within", "covering square"...missing example is an ISSUE! In relation to deprecated classes, the only one I disagree with Martin is: E40 Legal Body. AAT corporations (http://vocab.getty.edu/page/aat/300025969<https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvocab.getty.edu%2Fpage%2Faat%2F300025969&data=05%7C01%7Cpat.riva%40concordia.ca%7Ccb0021b1185c4129632e08da634cc2b3%7C5569f185d22f4e139850ce5b1abcd2e8%7C0%7C0%7C637931478577607048%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=nipELvpgiMuejxZvhODB54v5LkTPaDVbks1rTWlyUrI%3D&reserved=0>) is too focused on business. Well, I have thought about this. The note says "commonly formed as business enterprises", not "always". I think the practical purpose of the construct was indeed "considered in law as legal persons having an existence and rights and duties distinct from those of the individuals who form them". This should include of course museums etc. that can do contracts, buy and sell. Since we have abandoned the concept, I'd regard the margin not covered by the AAT term as not important. Clearly, whatever we recommend for the deprecated classes, either it is our own term or a slight deviation from it. I prefer the latter, if we can adopt a well-established vocabulary. Would you create a Google doc for this😁? Best, Martin All the best, Thanasis On 10/07/2022 09:36, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: Dear All, Attached a proposal how to develop a recommended vocabulary associated with the CRM, so far in order to refer to the meaning of deprecated classes. My idea is to find good matches from AAT, if possible, or IFLA vocabularies. 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