Dear Pat,
I support your arguments below. Actually we had more attendants in some
virtual meetings than in most personal meetings on one side, but we have
more absence of participants not interested in topics based on the
agenda. The latter is not ideal, because attending the arguments and
learning about other subject matters is for my understanding a very
valuable educational experience for anybody interested in using the CRM
and in conceptual modelling.
All the best,
Martin
On 7/12/2022 7:03 AM, Pat Riva via Crm-sig wrote:
I think the tension between in-person and online meetings will remain
for some time. That does argue for an annual schedule that has some of
each.
I think we have found that there are kinds of issues/business that
runs well in the Zoom format. I think of specific issues that don't
require much explanation, editorial correction of scope notes,
examples. Giving presentations and reports works too.
But there are logistical drawbacks in addition to the timezones.
Because of the timezones, we actually have fewer meeting hours over a
4-day online meeting than an in-person meeting. And it is much harder
to stay available for all the sessions when one is at one's normal
office. Plus distraction with other things the rest of the day.
Speaking for my experience, of course.
I do not find we have MORE people in attendance online at any one time
than we had at in-person meetings pre-pandemic, but it is not all the
same people. Bringing in the different participants is good.
For the in-person meetings, I favour the stand-alone meeting, long
enough to justify the travel time, rather than trying to extend some
other event with a SIG. Attempting to extend another conference will
make the entire trip very long. And too many different
responsibilities conflicting for those active in the main conference,
possibly not allowing the most active SIG members to concentrate on
CRM because of their CIDOC duties, or CIDOC conference host duties, or
presentations to give during CIDOC. For many years we have tried to
extend IFLA to carry out standards work, and at best you can extend by
one day, it can be hard to find a venue unsupported by the main
conference, and everyone is already exhausted and often unprepared.
Also, no matter what basic conference we attempt to extend, there will
be a number of SIG members who do not find it relevant and would not
be going.
In summary, I agree with the mix of online and in-person, but not
necessarily the formula for the in-person meeting. Like Rob I hesitate
regarding the regional meetings, as adding too much logistical work
and making the groups much too small to have the critical mass of
expertise.
Pat
Pat Riva
Acting University Librarian / Bibliothécaire en chef par intérim
Concordia University / Université Concordia
1455 de Maisonneuve West, LB-331
Montréal, Québec H3G 1M8
Canada
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Sanderson via Crm-sig <crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>
*Sent:* July 7, 2022 1:11 PM
*To:* Erin Canning <erin.cann...@mail.utoronto.ca>
*Cc:* crm-sig <Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>
*Subject:* Re: [Crm-sig] New issues: Make SIG meetings more sustainable
Agree 100% with 1 and 2. Perhaps broadening 1 to "a relevant
conference, such as CIDOC / ICOM". The meeting would need to be
shorter than the 4 day marathon pattern however.
Federation via regional meetings is hard, especially amongst a
relatively small community, and multiplies the logistics burden. I
don't think we have the scale for it at this stage.
Rob
On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 12:59 PM Erin Canning via Crm-sig
<crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote:
Dear all,
I would like to raise three items for discussion, regarding the
SIG meetings and processes. "Make SIG meetings more sustainable"
would be the third of these:
*
*
*Background:*The requirement for online SIG meetings during the
past two years showed that participation to online SIG meetings is
much higher than meeting at a specific place. Securing funding for
travel is not possible for participants outside large and rich
institutions. This is in addition to the inevitable carbon
footprint of the SIG especially for long-haul flights. Online
meetings lack the capacity for easy idea sharing and are perhaps
less practical for collaboration in groups. Another drawback of
online meetings is the impossibility of convenient time-zones for all.
*
*
*Proposal - the following are starting points for discussion:*
1. The SIG to meet in person once a year at the CIDOC conference
(with some overlap in schedules to avoid extremely long trips).
2. The SIG to meet online twice a year to accommodate members who
cannot travel and strengthen the community with wider
representation across different time zones.
3. Consider a federated SIG, where regional meetings take place
either online or at a location thus reducing requirement for
travel. These could be led by a member of the editorial group.
Decisions at regional meetings will be sent for offline review
and discussed by the editorial board in separate meetings
either in person or online. Right for veto to remain at global
level.
I look forward to your thoughts.
All the best,
Erin Canning
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