Indeed and the original questions raised were about the phrase in the introduction "The association of the two events is based on their temporal proximity, i.e. the triggering event ends when the triggered event starts." I think the examples mentioned in the scope note indicate a temporal relationship of:

P176 starts before the start of

than the agreed:

P182 ends before or with the start of

Even in the case of, say, a spring-loaded mousetrap, it would be difficult to tell that the event of stepping on the trip (of the trap) is completed before the spring is released.

So we either explain the event splitting approach or opt for the safer option of P176.

All the best,

Thanasis

P.S. I think any change would need to go to 2.1.

On 08/12/2022 11:18, Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig wrote:
Dear All,

O13 "triggers" in CRMsci requires the triggering event to be finished by the 
time the triggered event starts. In the example of rainfall causing a landslide in the 
scope note, it would mean that continuing rainfall has to be split up into the part 
before the landslide and after the landslide. This is not obvious and needs to be 
reflected in the scope note.

One example for O13 is the 1966 flood in Florence triggering mould growth on 
books stored in flooded library rooms. I read this to claim that the mould 
growth started only after the flood had receded completely, which I find a 
strong claim. However, Steve argued that the cited source does not contain 
information about the mould starting to grow while the flood was still ongoing.

Other examples we discussed were:
* an asthmatic in a room full of cats, triggering an asthma attack while still 
being in the room
* an earthquake triggering the destruction of houses: It is not realistic to 
split up the earthquake event into parts for each destroyed house.

Best,
Wolfgang


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