Dear Martin, Our goal was to complete the issues as tasked by decision of the committee and documented in the issue. Furthermore our aim was to come up with a harmonized version that was official so that we can have a smooth development process moving forward. It looks like your D35 changes fit within that hopefully (obviously the group needs to review and understand). I noticed you added new properties, will they have scope notes to consider by the SIG? Whether you agree with the comments on the annotation model it was already decided to take those classes out of CRMdig which this document simply reiterates. So unless you want to create an issue to undo that issue, I guess we will go ahead with that. I would ask you to consider the utility of having a harmonized official version.
Best, George On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 8:45 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig < crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote: > Dear George, > > I kindly ask you to read carefully what I am proposing for CRMdig. I > argue that I provide new evidence on issue 547. > > I had carefully studied the text for issue 547, and propose a viable > alternative to your arguments (which we had shared then) already in > harmony with CRMsci for D9 and D11. Therefore I propose not to delete > concepts we will possibly need to reintroduce, and are not backwards > compatible. > > Second, I have completed the Area concepts with the missing parts from > the applied software. It is a generic concept in line with METS, a very > important standard. > > Finally, the fact that the Annotation model appears to be competitive > with another annotation model does not make it obsolete per se. It makes > use of Named Graph logic, which is very elegant and compact. Van der > Soempel personally told me that they made the Annotation Model as it is > because Named Graphs were not mature at that time. > > Note that I am editor of CRMdig and domain expert. I do not agree with > this judgement: > "Annotation is an important area of digital humanities work. This > modeling is very early modelling and misses out on many efforts since > then. It is not informed by recent work and it is not a profound > ontological contribution anyhow. " > > If we drop a requirement for these deletions, we can directly review the > harmonization with the other models. I argue that my proposals are > already mature enough. > > Please let us review this together. > > Kind regards, > > Martin > > On 9/6/2025 12:41 PM, George Bruseker via Crm-sig wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Here is the homework for closing out issue 547 which has been > > undertaken by the working group George, Steve, Pavlos. > > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u3haQXJit9speJaTyE7t9bSwLi8jlnPwmioVhM0zDz8/edit?tab=t.0 > > > > Work on CRMdig has been paused to allow extensive discussion of CRMsci > > and inf. Now that that is over we would like to bring CRMdig into > > harmonization with 7.1.3 BEFORE any other new modelling work is > > proposed on the standard, so that we have a set of usable extensions > > (official with serialization). > > > > In the session we can then broach new modelling proposals which can be > > considered for the next official release. > > > > We will post the latest version of the documentation before the > > meeting reflecting this work. This is essentially a cleaning exercise > > BEFORE doing new modelling ideas and exercises so that there is a > > functional official version that is in line with our present base > > model, 7.1.3. > > > > Best, > > > > George > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Crm-sig mailing list > > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > > http://cidoc-crm.org/crm-sig-mailing-list > > > -- > ------------------------------------ > Dr. Martin Doerr > > Honorary Head of the > Center for Cultural Informatics > > Information Systems Laboratory > Institute of Computer Science > Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) > > N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, > GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece > > Email: mar...@ics.forth.gr > Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > http://cidoc-crm.org/crm-sig-mailing-list >
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