Dear all, It's not exactly what we're talking about, but we should remind ourselves of issue 384 <https://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-354-management-of-issues-and-workflow>(which was all about contextualizing the issues and the process agreed among SIG members, concerning the process whereby we raise and resolve issues). As much as I like the idea of anyone using the CRM being able to flag something as an issue (being a guideline, modelling concern, or application) without explicitly having to ask me to do so, some proper explanation of "the problem" at hand should at least be offered. Ideally, we could follow the procedures we defined in 2022 (in gitlab or elsewhere).
Best, Eleni On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 2:27 PM Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig < crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote: > Dear all, > The most important thing is to have a person willing to take the > responsibility of being archivist/librarian for the SIG data. The choice of > technical implementation is not so important. > Best, > Christian-Emil > ------------------------------ > *Fra:* Crm-sig <crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr> på vegne av George Bruseker > via Crm-sig <crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> > *Sendt:* onsdag 10. september 2025 12:18 > *Til:* Dominic Oldman <dominic.old...@gmail.com> > *Kopi:* crm-sig <crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> > *Emne:* Re: [Crm-sig] issue 704 New Tool for Managing CIDOC CRM SIG Issues > > Dear Dominic, > > Do you have another system in mind? We had a discussion in the last SIG > about this, you might recall. The list serv and drupal solution is very > heavy and time consuming; it is a high bar, high friction way of getting > into things. > > We need a light and functional solution that allows broad participation, > doesn't cost money (or as little as possible since we have no funding) and > is low bar access (people don't have to learn things). It should also meet > the current ability to tag issues with the CRM version, class, property, > cross reference issues etc. > > If you know of solutions better (or just different, worth thinking about) > than github / lab, please put them forward. Ears open. Or if someone wants > to do wide market research, great, please do! Gitlab is suggested because > our resources are limited and it has an issues system, it can easily line > up. Also FORTH already uses it and it can be directly linked to releases. > This is how version management tends to be done these days. > > Here are other options that I know about: > > Github - Linkedart uses, very successful model, everyone contributes, > talks and collaborates, is commercial though (no cost to enter issues > though) > Jira - heavy expensive clunky > Redmine - open source free, very clunky - FORTH has used it in the past > (we assume FORTH is hosting) > Discourse - Arches uses, quite beautiful interface, but heavy setup > investment, not sure about costs > > I know of others but I don't think they are even in the competition. But > if you have knowledge of other systems that are up to the task, please > throw them into the mix and we can discuss it here and in person in > Herakleion. > > Best, > > George > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 11:40 AM Dominic Oldman <dominic.old...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > It would be great if we could actually do an options appraisal rather than > just single out a particular technical solution. > > It would be good to just review what we want to get out of the system > going forward and the people we would like it to serve - and possibly > engage. > > I don't know much about Gitlab and its suitability but can we start with > some criteria? What is good and bad about the current system, etc. > > I would contribute to this appraisal. > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Sept 2025 at 12:35, George Bruseker via Crm-sig < > crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote: > > Dear all, > > Please find linked a document with homework related to issue 704. THe > issue was the proposal of a modern tool for managing issues according to > industry standards. > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lPj9VMl4sD3yZkozsJYvYXgQ2fb1AoM8Pj3uXeHwROQ/edit?usp=sharing > > > The discussion was taken up in the context of updating the website and > general tooling upgrade. Stephen and I were tasked with coming up with a > proposal for a system to handle issues in a more streamlined and standard > manner which would encourage greater participation. > > The linked document outlines a proposal to move our issue management to > gitlab, currently already used by FORTH to manage versioning of CIDOC CRM. > > One issue that is perhaps with digging into more as we consider this tool > change is if it has any implications on our existing workflow for raising > issues. I think probably it doesn't. It has always been the case that > anyone on the list could raise an issue, but now it would be much more > straighforward for them to do and for others to follow. > > The document is open for all to edit and comment on. Please feel free to > offer ideas and comments either here or in the doc (eventually in a > publically commentable issue in gitlab hopefully!). > > Best, > > George > > > > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 8:00 AM Eleni Tsouloucha <tsoulo...@ics.forth.gr> > wrote: > > Dear George, dear Stephen, > > in the last meeting you volunteered to come up with a proposal concerning > replacing the mailing list and current issues management with github (issue > 704 > <https://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-704-the-future-of-mailing-list-issues-management> > ). > Is this something you're willing to devote time to ahead of the meeting in > October? > Please let me know, > > All the best, > > > -- > Eleni Tsouloucha > Philologist - MA Linguistics & Language Technologies > Center for Cultural Informatics > Information Systems Laboratory - Institute of Computer Science > Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) > > Address: N. Plastira 100, GR-70013 Heraklion, Grece > email: tsoulo...@ics.forth.gr, eleni.crm....@gmail.com > Tel: +30 2810391488 > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > http://cidoc-crm.org/crm-sig-mailing-list > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > http://cidoc-crm.org/crm-sig-mailing-list > -- Eleni Tsouloucha Philologist - MA Linguistics & Language Technologies Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory - Institute of Computer Science Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) Address: N. Plastira 100, GR-70013 Heraklion, Grece email: tsoulo...@ics.forth.gr, eleni.crm....@gmail.com Tel: +30 2810391488
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