Cryptography-Digest Digest #95, Volume #9 Wed, 17 Feb 99 15:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: encryption debate (R. Knauer)
Bruce's Feb. "CRYPTO-GRAM" (JPeschel)
Re: Randomness based consciousness?. (Was: Re: *** Where Does The Randomness Come
From ?!? *** ) ("james d. hunter")
Re: Randomness based consciousness?. (Was: Re: *** Where Does The Randomness Come
From ?!? *** ) ("james d. hunter")
Re: encryption debate (R. Knauer)
Australian Defense Signals Directorate (was: Re: Sample primes, messages and
cyphertexts) (Gregory G Rose)
Re: Telephone Encryption (R. Knauer)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R. Knauer)
Subject: Re: encryption debate
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:56:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:18:25 -0800, Dennis Suchta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There is no common law right but that dates from a time of communal
>living where the concept was not commonly accepted. Times change so
>does he law.
Laws do not create rights, only guarantee their non-infringment - and
then only poorly.
Bob Knauer
"Towering genius disdains a beaten path. It seeks regions hitherto
unexplored. It sees no distinction in adding story to story, upon
the monuments of fame, erected to the memory of others. It denies
that it is glory enough to serve under any chief. It scorns to tread
in the footsteps of any predecessor, however illustrious. It thirsts
and burns for distinction; and, if possible, it will have it, whether
at the expense of emancipating slaves, or enslaving free men."
-- Abraham Lincoln
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JPeschel)
Subject: Bruce's Feb. "CRYPTO-GRAM"
Date: 17 Feb 1999 19:12:50 GMT
This issue, February's, is great if you're
interested, as I am, in snake-oil. In this
issue Bruce names names.
Included are products that were broken
by myself or my friend Casimir. Bruce
also included a reference to my cooperative
work with AccessData and Randall Williams
for <i>InfoWorld.</i>
All of this work (and a bit more) can be found
on my web site.
Bruce also had Mike Stay, a cryptographer
at AccessData, write a cryptanalysis of
WinXFiles, a product that Casimir reversed
and broke a couple months ago. Stay's analysis
is likely a bit easier to digest than
Caz's assembly-reversal essay. In any case, I
hope to get the permission of Bruce and Mike
to reprint the summary to accompany Casimir's
essay.
Joe
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Joe Peschel
D.O.E. SysWorks
http://members.aol.com/jpeschel/index.htm
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From: "james d. hunter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
sci.skeptic,sci.philosophy.meta,sci.psychology.theory,alt.hypnosis,sci.logic
Subject: Re: Randomness based consciousness?. (Was: Re: *** Where Does The Randomness
Come From ?!? *** )
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:12:46 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
R. Knauer wrote:
>
> On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:57:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >Isn't random such a fantastic word?
>
> Yep.
>
> Berry's Paradox: "Randomness cannot be described".
Yes it can be, with Hunter's counter-Paradox.
"Randomness is the totality of human claims
to have discovered, defined, invented, patented,
or copyrighted 'randomness'".
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From: "james d. hunter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
sci.skeptic,sci.philosophy.meta,sci.psychology.theory,alt.hypnosis,sci.logic
Subject: Re: Randomness based consciousness?. (Was: Re: *** Where Does The Randomness
Come From ?!? *** )
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:33:30 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Isn't random such a fantastic word?
>
> to me, it looks like ants run around 'randomly'
>
> when someone breaks in snooker - the balls shoot off 'randomly'
>
> I don't know where this idea of Random based conscioussness comes
> from, Random Consciousness is an oxymoron...
>
> Consciousness based on Chaos or complexity theory perhaps?
>
> OR, what i suspect, you are somehow referring to Quantum Theory -
this
> may well be random in a sense.
You can look at QM this way, you don't actually have a
choice. It is random, in all senses.
> Consciosness needs this so called 'randomness' to exploit so it ca
> "have its way", or so to speak.
Don't worry yourself about it. If you build anything,
it will be random. Again, it is not like you have a
choice.
---
Jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R. Knauer)
Subject: Re: encryption debate
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:57:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:42:45 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (wtshaw) wrote:
>As Tweety would say, "I don't know about that." It would depend lots on
>who set the terms. Some people feel that the Civil War was partly about
>the right of states to go their own way. Fine legal details are a bit
>murky there, especially during the reconstruction period. I'm old enough
>to have visited extensively with people who lived in that period; it was
>not pretty.
Enslavement never is pretty.
Bob Knauer
"Towering genius disdains a beaten path. It seeks regions hitherto
unexplored. It sees no distinction in adding story to story, upon
the monuments of fame, erected to the memory of others. It denies
that it is glory enough to serve under any chief. It scorns to tread
in the footsteps of any predecessor, however illustrious. It thirsts
and burns for distinction; and, if possible, it will have it, whether
at the expense of emancipating slaves, or enslaving free men."
-- Abraham Lincoln
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gregory G Rose)
Subject: Australian Defense Signals Directorate (was: Re: Sample primes, messages and
cyphertexts)
Date: 17 Feb 1999 09:48:34 -0800
In article <79unsu$fcs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Benjamin Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>PS. As an Australian, am I allowed to share slow encryption code (that is
>potentially able to support any key length) with non Australians for purely
>academic reasons? Does the Wassenaar Agreement have some influence here? (I
>dont actually know much about the agreement, except what I gleamed from a
>newspaper article)
Yes and no; you need to contact the Defense
Signals Directorate for an export license
(actually you send forms to someone else and they
get passed along), regardless of how strong or
weak your system is. In my experience, no
reasonable request will be refused.
Forms are online at:
http://iic.spirit.net.au/imat/publications/excontrl/excohome.htm
My own contacts at the DSD are:
Steve Anderssen -- 02 6265 0582 -- fax 02 6265 0328
Rachel Noble -- 02 6265 0347 -- fax 02 6265 0328
Defense Signals Directorate
Locked bag 5076,
Kingston ACT 2604
Have fun,
Greg.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R. Knauer)
Subject: Re: Telephone Encryption
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:47:20 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:08:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Rubin) wrote:
>Hardware devices:
> AT&T makes (made?) the AT&T 3600 with the notorious Clipper chip
Did the Clipper Chip ever implement the trapdoor or other means of
defeating it that the govt wanted? IOW, is the current version of the
Clipper Chip secure?
> Nautilus, http://www.lila.com/nautilus.html
I believe the URL is http://www.lila.com/nautilus/
>Also, it can work either with modems or over IP. I think
>the other two are IP-only and don't ship source.
PGP-Fone claims to be both.
Thanks for the info,
Bob Knauer
"No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent."
--Abraham Lincoln, Amerika's First Fascist Hypocrite
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