Cryptography-Digest Digest #793, Volume #13 Sun, 4 Mar 01 08:13:01 EST
Contents:
Re: => FBI easily cracks encryption ...? ("kroesjnov")
Re: Was there ever a CRM-114 Discriminator? ("Mxsmanic")
Re: OT: Legitimacy of Governmental Power (Was: Re: => FBI easily crack ...?)
("Randoman")
Re: OverWrite freeware completely removes unwanted files fromharddrive (Anthony
Stephen Szopa)
Re: => FBI easily cracks encryption ...? ("kroesjnov")
Re: OT: Legitimacy of Governmental Power (Was: Re: => FBI easily cracks encryption
...?) (Joe H. Acker)
Re: OverWrite freeware completely removes unwanted files fromharddrive (Anthony
Stephen Szopa)
Re: Is BORG mental patient Linda Gore SSRIHater?? Re: Fake SSRIHATER ("Beeftain")
Re: The Foolish Dozen or so in This News Group ("Sam Simpson")
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From: "kroesjnov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.security.pgp,talk.politics.crypto
Subject: Re: => FBI easily cracks encryption ...?
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:12:29 +0100
> The reason cited for tracking such things as race and religion was so
> that previously persecuted minorities could claim social justice. That
> is, get preferential treatment in government jobs to "correct" past
> discrimination against them. Tat data was collected for the admirable
> goal of "affirmative action". I've noticed that the pre-war books
> (1920's and early 1930's) are disappearing fast from the shelves as
> "irrelevant" to today.
hmm...
Interesting, that`s for sure.
So it was with a good intention that these files where created.
But I also understood, that anti-semitism did not only life in Germany
before and in the second world war, but that this was quite common to exist.
Also in country`s like The Netherlands (which would partly explain - I
think - why there where quite some Dutch people, who joined German army
units, or "cleaning forces"), and any other country... Historybooks (the
most common then, not all afcourse) always talk about anti-semitism like it
was only a thing in Germany, but this is not true (Sorry, but I am unable to
quote my source on this: I simply do not remember where I read this...).
The point which I am trying to make here, is that the idea of creating such
an archive (which was meant to help the Jews, and make the other people feel
less quilty), was maybe not such a good idea after all, sins anti-semitism
did live around the world, and it would only be a matter off time, before
someone would abuse this archive. Or maybe the idea should have been given
more thought, and the archive should have been better protected (Like one
central archive, for supplements like religion and race), but this archive
could also have exposed to abuse from the inside (someone working for this
archive), for example: The files could have been sold to another country, or
political party, for abuse...
any thoughts on this are welcome
"Wisdom lies not in obtaining knowledge, but in using it in the right way"
kroesjnov
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove nov to reply)
UIN: 67346792
pgp fingerprint: 4251 4350 4242 7764 80DA DB1C E2B2 850A DF15 4D85
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From: "Mxsmanic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Was there ever a CRM-114 Discriminator?
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 11:15:40 GMT
"rob osattin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> This may be a joke by FAS, I can't tell.
It would be an odd place for a joke, and the FAS doesn't strike me as
prone to play jokes, but who knows? References to it are scarce, except
in connnection with the movie.
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Reply-To: "Randoman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Randoman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.security.pgp,talk.politics.crypto
Subject: Re: OT: Legitimacy of Governmental Power (Was: Re: => FBI easily crack
...?)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 11:26:19 -0000
Apologies - I know this is a crypto newsgroup not a history one. But a
number of the discussions have a political/historical sub-text.
I recently read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer. I
thought it was a wonderful description of how a highly motivated,
intelligent group of people can successfully subvert a democracy
IMHO it really does show that the truth of "all that is required for evil to
triumph, is for good men to do nothing"
Cheers,
Gerald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> William Hugh Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Nazi Germany, came to power through
> >> constitutionally legitimate means.
> >
> >Not true. Please go back and read the history again. It is well
documented
> >that the Nazis came to power by terror, not by democratic process. They
got
> >into government through the application of terror. They were not a
majority in
> >government until after they burned the Reichstag. I do not know where
> >this myth
> >got started but it is important to refute it. Democracy may have to
> >account for
> >a lot of sins but that is not one of them.
> >
> Ah ah ah, Willliam. no rewriting of history. Hitler's ascent into power,
> and assumption of dictatorial powers, is totally legit.
>
> January 30th, 1933: President Hindenburg decided to appoint Hitler
> Chancellor in a coalition government with Papen as Vice-Chancellor.
>
> Feb 27, 1933: The Reichstag burns, and President Hindenburg gave the Nazi
> party power to arrest anyone they saw as a threat to the nation.
>
> March 23, 1933: The Enabling Act transferred legislative powers to
Hitlers
> cabinet for 4 years. Legally passed and placed into effect.
>
> July 14, 1933: Hitler declares Nazism as the only politcal party allowed
in
> Germany.
>
> When President Hindenburg died, Aug. 2, 1934, the offices of President and
> Chancellor were combined. So Hitler became the Fuehrer and Reich
Chancellor
> of Germany.
>
> So the burning of the Reichstag was almost certainly by the Nazis, they
> managed to frame the communists (a guy named Marinus van der Lubbe), and
> thereby *LEGALLY* gain more power.
>
> Even though there was a lot of dirty bottom-dealing involved, each step
> along the way of Hitler's rise to power was legal. Dirty, but legal.
>
> Sorry.
>
> SD
>
>
>
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From: Anthony Stephen Szopa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.hacker
Subject: Re: OverWrite freeware completely removes unwanted files fromharddrive
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 03:57:11 -0800
"Douglas A. Gwyn" wrote:
>
> Anthony Stephen Szopa wrote:
> > If you read the Theory and Processes I & II Help Files from my web
> > site you will see that trying to crack my software is like trying to
> > guess ever longer strings of random numbers resulting from throwing
> > ten sided dice.
>
> The same sort of argument has been used repeatedly in the history
> of cryptography, e.g. for the Enigma, and it has usually been
> proven wrong. For such an argument to prove security against
> cryptanalysis, you *also* need to show that *every* possible
> attack has to blindly "guess" at those strings. And the lack of
> knowledge of any other approach is no proof at all.
Tadah, tedee.
If you even bothered to read the Help Files you would find that the
random numbers that are at the basis of the Original Absolute
Privacy - Level3 software are generated as a result of true random
user input.
The software will accept as long a key as the user has the patience
and desire to imput.
All you as a cracker needs to do is duplicate this true random number
input string.
It is left up to the user to decide how he or she generates this
random input. I do make a few suggestions: numbering beans and
placing them in a bottle and shaking the bottle then drawing the
beans from the bottle one at a time to get a number sequence, or
by shuffling a deck of cards and using the sequence of each suit in
the deck, for instance.
How good are you at guessing the order of ten or fourteen numbered
beans drawn from a bottle? How do you think you'd do guessing 10 or
20 or 100 14 number sequences of the numbers from 1 - 14 produced as
a result of drawing numbered beans from a bottle?
What great scientific monument to the mind of man do you need in
order to understand how nearly impossible this will be when the
string of numbers and sequences becomes greater and greater.
Let us know when you figure it out.
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From: "kroesjnov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.security.pgp,talk.politics.crypto
Subject: Re: => FBI easily cracks encryption ...?
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:10:01 +0100
> > > I'm sure the BVD would like to have this ability, too!
>
> Part of our concern is that you do not know what their capabilities are or
who
> their targets might be. Because terrorists, subversives, and perverts, do
not
> wear badges, the intelligence services tend to cast a very broad net.
Because
> they are human, they tend to cast that net in the direction of people that
they
> do not like. It tends to catch innocent civilians but some civilians seem
to be
> caught more than others. The net tends to catch people whose color is
different
> from that of the intelligence services, people whose religion is different
from
> theirs, whose class is different from theirs, whose politics are different
from
> theirs, or whose sexual behavior they envy or do not like.
I am willing to trade some privacy for safety.
So what if they know that I don`t go to church?
So what it they know that I am a poor performer on school?
So what if they know I am going to the hookers?
All the points above, and afcourse more off them, carry less weight for me
then a terrorist bombing my school, or some luny invasing my country.
All things are relative in my opinion, and some things are just more
important to me then others.
I can understand if you do not share these opinions with me...
> Here that net has caught some of our greatest national heros. Women like
> Eleanor Roosevelt, men like Martin Luther King. Men like JFK and RFK.
So you is sure that they where killed by intellegence services?
Why do you people always believe in some comspiracy within the goverment?
Why could it not been some luny who shot MLK?
> It is
> clear from the record that the purpose of these dossiers was intimidation
and
> control.
Afcourse that`s the purpose off these records. That`s what these records are
for. How else are we going to catch someone like Saddam? <- now don`t go
bitching about that, it should be clear to you all, that this is just an
example...
> Is it really so different in Holland? Do you really believe your
> intelligence services are not more likely to target Indonesians than
Europeans?
> Jews and Muslims more than Christians? Catholics more than protestants?
> Liberals more than conservatives? Working classes more than aristocrats?
> Homosexuals more than heterosexuals?
Yes, I really believe that.
I simply do not see, what they would gain by targeting the turkisch people,
the african people. And I do not see, what more they would get from that,
then targeting someone off their own colour (Like our goverment is only
white! Our country excists off many races, and so does our goverment, don`t
be a fool, and believe that "the white man" rules The Netherlands).
So call me young foolisch boy, who doesn`t understand these things, but my
opinion stands.
> Now of course, this was all in the past, right? The intelligence services
are
> all reformed now, right? They were corrupted by bad people rather than by
a
> fundamentally corrupting mission or system, right? They are not corrupted
by
> all that power are they?
No corporation is 100% clean off power addicted people (or peopel otherwise
corrupted), and so you cannot ask it to be different in the goverment.
There will always be people in the goverment, that rather achieve their own
goal, then do what they are pay`d for, and serve national interrest.
> And, of course, you and I are on their side, right? They know that,
right? We
> look like them, talk like them, walk like them, dress like them, eat like
them
> and sleep with people like the one's they do, right? They would not
collect
> dossiers on us would they? They only collect dossiers on real bad guys;
they
> would not keep one on us, by mistake or just in case we might be
subversives,
> would they? Talk to our bosses about our political reliability or the
company
> we keep? Question our friends and neighbors about us? No! Not us!
Never!
> Well, hardly ever.
Afcourse they keep a mild track on everybody. To not do that, would be
making it impossible to detect "the bad guy" among the good guys, you know
that, and I know that.
The discussion here - I believe - is more over, how 'much' they should hold
track on everybody.
> And we have nothing to fear, right? We have not done anything wrong,
right?
> And nothing that our friends and neighbors might say could ever prove
> embarassing could it? Those people who reported on their families and
friends
> during WWII simply because they were frightened? We do not have craven
friends
> or family like that. After all, those people were enemies of the state.
Our
> rectitude is our shield, right? We have not done anything wrong. We can
> explain all those Socialist, Muslim, Jewish, gay, drug using friends we
had in
> college, right? That friend we helped to get an abortion that we did not
tell
> our family about? That guy we took the trip with who turned out to have a
crush
> on us? No one would hold that against us, right? And they do not make
> mistakes, right? And the burden of proof is on them, right?. They
wouldn't,
> couldn't just leak it could they? They wouldn't threaten us with it
would
> they? They would not threaten to take any of it out of context and use it
for
> some greater good than truth and justice would they?
So, we have a goverment, who throws everybody in prison who has a gay
friend?
==========
Operations: Our target for today is known as 'Kroesjnov'. We have yet to
recover his/her real name, but Birckoff is working on that. This person is
frequently spotted with a gay friend, and is known to smoke joints.
Micheal: So we have shoot to kill orders?
Madeline: No. We want to bring this person in, and see if we can examine why
Kroesjnov is doing this horrible things. Maybe we van find a cure for this
horrible illness, which has spread across the whole country.
Operations: The time is ticking people. Micheal will go in with a team off 5
man, and Nikita is in command off the backup team. Birckoff will keep you
all posted on the progress, and provides information during the mission
Madeline: Just remember that we want to take this subject alive.
==========
Yes indeed, the goverment is after us, better throw away your weed and porn,
otherwise you are going to end up in a special rehab camp!
> All of these things have happened to perfectly innocent people in my
lifetime.
> All in the name of national security, a greater good than truth and
justice.
> But that was the Gestapo, the KGB, the CIA, the NSA, GCHQ, the FBI, CBOS
and the
> Stasi, right? Not the BVD. The BVD are the good guys, right? That could
not
> happen here, right? Right. Pardon my lack of credulity.
I pardon you.
All of these things happend, because these agency`s were given to much power
(wich is afcourse, the real discussion here).
> > And because, not every country has the ability to set up a country wide
> > Security network, I do understand why a World wide intelligence service
like
> > Echelon would have more pro`s over the con`s (Well, that`s going to be
good
> > for a good discussion I guess :)
>
> And of course such a service will share that intelligence with you, right?
> History suggests that they are reluctant to share with anyone.
No, why would they share with me?
As long as they share with each other (they should work at it hard, look at
the fiasco that the NATO has become). What is againts a world wide agency,
that will keep track on bad people? I don`t hear you taking about Interpol,
and yet it is very much the same.
> It will be used for your benefit, right? At least to the extent that your
> interest coincides with theirs. Which, of course, it always will, right?
No, it will not always be my interrest. And sometime wrong actions will be
taken by these agency`s. Well, welcome to the real world. Does you bose
always has the same opinion as you? Does your wife? Does the neighboor? No
they afcoure don`t, But yet you work for this person (or has worked for such
a person), yet you life (or had lived) which such a wife, and yet you may
live next to a neighboor like that.
So what if those agency`s aren`t perfect?
> I am
> told that the British intelligence services really did not permit Coventry
to be
> bombed to rubble to protect the secret of Ultra. It was just a
coincidence.
> They really planned to tell the RAF; they were just a few hours late. The
US
> intelligence services were only a few hours too late to prevent the
bombing of
> Pearl Harbor. And they have never betrayed spies to protect other sources
and
> methods either. Those stories are all apochryphal, made up by people like
me in
> an attempt to embarrass them and only because I do not like them. . It
is
> really difficult to know even the historical truth when dealing with
> organizations that prefer silence to the truth lie and for a living .
Yes, I am aware off this.
This has happend, because off colliding interrests (Look at Kosovo: Why did
the French not send jets as support for the Dutch soldiers there in time?
The International relations where completley different (to Kosovo), So you
cannot ask a agency like the NATO to work like one).
So yes, hard discissions will be made, and people will die. You do not know
what the other side, off the Pearl Harbor coint was, and I do not know
either...
> > "Wisdom lies not in obtaining knowledge, but in using it in the right
way"
>
> Would you be insulted if we suggested that you err a little on the side of
the
> "obtaining" for a while?
No, I would not be, it is a logic fact - because I am 19 - that I am still
filling my library with knowledge. And yes, I will make mistakes...
Do not take me wrong: I like a discussion like this :)
"Wisdom lies not in obtaining knowledge, but in using it in the right way"
kroesjnov
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove nov to reply)
UIN: 67346792
pgp fingerprint: 4251 4350 4242 7764 80DA DB1C E2B2 850A DF15 4D85
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe H. Acker)
Crossposted-To: alt.security.pgp,talk.politics.crypto
Subject: Re: OT: Legitimacy of Governmental Power (Was: Re: => FBI easily cracks
encryption ...?)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:09:47 +0100
Mxsmanic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Democracy may have to account for a lot of sins
> > but that is not one of them.
>
> As I said, it's comforting to think that, but it isn't necessarily true.
> Democracy allows despots to be elected, too.
Not always. Today's constitution in Germany does not allow despots to be
elected. It can actively fight persons, groups or parties that actively
act against the constitution or seek to invalidate the constitution,
even if these groups only use democratic means. For example, by petition
the German Supreme Court for the instituion (Bundesverfassungsgericht)
can check wether a political party is actively and aggressively engaging
against the constitution, and if so, the party can be prohibited. (Right
now, the Bundesverfassungsgericht has to decide wether the German NPD
will be prohibited or not. The decision process is supposed to take
several years of judgement.) There's also a special secret service to
gather information about groups or people that act against the
constitution (the Bundesamt f�r Verfassungschutz). However, this agency
has no executive rights (it is not a police authority, that's a very
different concept compared e.g. to the FBI).
There have been installed an immense number of other means to protect
democracy against inner threads. Most noteworthy: Article 18 can take
away at least to a part *some* fundamental rights (like freedom of
speech) from people who actively fight against the constitution. The
Bundesverfassungsgericht decides about this. Article 20,4 gives the
expressive right to any German to resist against undemocratic laws,
violations of the principles of free elections, that all power's source
is the people, and that Germany is democratic, social and federal.
Article 25 makes sure that general rights of peoples have precedence
over special laws of state. And article 79 makes sure that article 1
(dignity of any human, human rights, validity of the constitution) and
article 20 can never be changed by any democratic means.
All of that and much more ensures that any despote would automatically
violate the constitution and none of his decrets, laws or instruments of
power would ever be democratic or constitutional. And anyone would have
the right to resist him and would act according to the constitution in
doing so. :)
As someone has pointed out, the Weimarer Republic had almost none of
such means to protect democracy, and that's one reason why the Nazis
could gain power by democratic means--- "democratic" in terms of the
flawed constitution of the Weimarer Republic.
Regards,
Erich
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From: Anthony Stephen Szopa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.hacker
Subject: Re: OverWrite freeware completely removes unwanted files fromharddrive
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 04:18:56 -0800
Benjamin Goldberg wrote:
>
> "To optimize as you all have been claiming in Ciphile
> Software's OverWrite program, the OS would have to LIE that it had
> successfully closed the file in order to proceed to carry out a
> subsequent write in cache before the actual prior write and close to
> the file."
>
> I'm curious; what exactly do you believe that a "close" operation
> consists of?
>
> Closing a file does not mean that the cache has been written to disk.
>
> The false idea that it does seems to be the only backing you have to
> your claim that your overwrite software actually does write to disk
> repeatedly.
>
> What does closing a file actually consist of?
>
> I <snipped>
> --
> The difference between theory and practice is that in theory, theory and
> practice are identical, but in practice, they are not.
You better never commit a crime and expect to lie your way out of it.
"Closing a file does not mean that the cache has been written to
disk." Is this your profound penultimate position upon which your
world rests? FUD!
As I said, your position ultimately leads you to NoWheresville.
Here is what you are saying, just follow your own illogic:
I code the fclose instruction. I place an if statement to see that
the close is carried out successfully. If it is then the program
continues; if not the program exits.
You are saying that a conditional statement upon which the very
foundations of computer programming rests is randomly and
arbitrarily ignored. If this could be done with any reliability
then the algorithm that makes these decisions would be known as not
mere artificial intelligence but as man made machine clairvoyance.
This is what you are selling.
How does the computer know that by ignoring any given conditional
instruction that the subsequent calculation will not be incorrect as
a result?
I agree that in the simplest circumstances this can be done. The
example I gave was when a file is NOT closed and subsequent writes
are made to the file through the same object stream.
But when a file is explicitly closed and a condition is placed on the
success or failure of the outcome of this operation then you are out
of your tree.
LSD or DMT
whichever in your cup of tea.
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From: "Beeftain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.support.depression.medication,soc.culture.russian,soc.org.kkk,dk.snak.mudderkastning,soc.culture.ukrainian
Subject: Re: Is BORG mental patient Linda Gore SSRIHater?? Re: Fake SSRIHATER
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:30:19 +0100
Reply-To: "Beeftain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Johan M. Olofsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Beeftain wrote:
>
> > "alexplore" <alexplore@alexplore> wrote in message
>news:97jbuk$if6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > Beeftain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:97j635$1sli$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > "alexplore" <alexplore@alexplore> wrote in message
> > > news:97j1m4$687$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > Beeftain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:97j0ii$1jf5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Pippelip gokkelok!
> > > > >
> > > > > You must be mentally ill like Linda Gore!
> > >
> > > Linda Gore is a mental patient on the "crazies groups"...
> > > Very mentally ill... married 4 times... does a lot of
> > > "psychiatric medications"... for 23 years in fact...
> > > that and fucking drunks and posting about how to stuff their
> > > limp dicks up her cunt.
> > >
> > > "Diagnossing" her son.... sees that he needs a lot of psychiatric drugs
> > > too...
> > >
> > > Disgusting piece of shit! Someone out there will be husband #
> > > 5 sooner or later.... always a horny asshole that will fuck anything... Ask
> > > Igor Chudov and Yelena Purdunkova about that :)
> >
> > Who are they?
> >
> > > > Well, Al Gore _is_ mentally ill...
> > >
> > > Not so much as his wife "Tipper" (hell kind of name is THAT!)
> >
> > She discovered these Parental Advisory-stickers. It's narrow-minded.
> >
> > > > not very less than George Bush.
> > >
> > > at least his wife ain't eating head-drug pills like "Tipper" :)
> > > or Igor Chudov...
> >
> > No, but any wife of Bush must be brainwashed. Bush is a f...... maniac.
> >
> > Which group are you writing in?
>
> All of them, of course.
The original, then.
Beeftain
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From: "Sam Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.hacker
Subject: Re: The Foolish Dozen or so in This News Group
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:34:55 -0000
...
> His initials are Bill Gates.
...
> What do you think?
...
Let's hope your crypto software is better than your grasp of the English
language, eh? ;)
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