Cryptography-Digest Digest #399, Volume #14 Sun, 20 May 01 19:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: We are a scam ("EE Support")
Re: taking your PC in for repair? WARNING: What will they find? ("EE Support")
Re: Evidence Eliminator works great. Beware anybody who claims it doesn't work
(propaganda) ("EE Support")
Re: We are a scam - Like This Post Is.... ("EE Support")
Re: DES Encryption - salt? ("Ned Takahashi")
Re: Cryptanalysis Question: Determing The Algorithm? (David Hopwood)
Re: We are a scam - Like This Post Is.... (P.Dulles)
Re: We are a scam ("Omnivore")
Re: We are a scam (P.Dulles)
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From: "EE Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.privacy,alt.security.pgp,alt.security.scramdisk,alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject: Re: We are a scam
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:49:25 +0100
"P.Dulles" <*@*.com> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, *@*.com wrote:
> >:
> >: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >: > >: On Fri, 11 May 2001 00:12:11 -0400, P.Dulles <*@*.com> wrote:
> >: > >:
> >: > >: >In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >: > >: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >: > >: >>: We are well known for fleecing our user base. We use shock
> >: marketing and spam
> >: > >: >>: tactics to try to trick newbies into freaking out and buying
our
> >: product.
> >: > >: >>:
> >: > >: >>: The problem is that our product is a fraud. It doesn't do
what
> >: we claim. It
> >: > >: >>: never will. It just pretends to be working. We do a quick
> >: overwrite to fool
> >: > >: >>: minor undelete utilities. But we cannot defeat real forensics
> >: software.
> >: > >: >>:
> >: > >: >>: This isn't a problem because the type of users we fleece,
> >: wouldn't know how to
> >: > >: >>: run real forensics software. This makes it easy for us.
Anyway,
> >: I had to come
> >: > >: >>: clean. The kid running this company is out of control. If
you
> >: buy from him,
> >: > >: >>: you deserve to be fleeced.
> >: > >: >>:
> >: > >: >>: --
> >: > >: >>: Best Regards,
> >: > >: >>: The Evidence Eliminator Support Team
> >: > >: >>: http://www.evidence-eliminator.con/support.shtml
> >: > >: >
> >: > >: >Forged posts is just NOT cool.
> >: > >:
> >: > >: Please show how it was forged.
> >: >
> >: > Do you honestly think any business would write this? It would
> >: > immediately close them down, expose them to litigation from every
> >: > customer, and destroy what little positive reputation they have.
> >: >
> >: > I maintain that they did not write this. It would require criminal
> >: > stupidity for any business to write such a letter.
> >: >
> >:
> >: jeez, I guess you missed the ".con" job.
>
> No - it just seems that there are so many fake (with the spam) addies
> for them dot "con" seemed to be the most accurate.
>
> However, I did appreciate the humor.
>
> Still though, I'm not for using their own tactics against them.
> Confrontation should be done legitimately. Now let's see if they answer
> my questions.
If you can distill your questions to a simple format and prove that Evidence
Eliminator doesn't not work, we will upgrade it. There's so much junk and
stooge posts on this NG. Is it not just a little too much to expect any
company to sort through the noise on here to find a good question to answer.
Our tech support is always happy to help.
--
Best Regards,
The Evidence Eliminator Support Team
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support.shtml
--
Technical Support Questions: Before submitting additional questions,
please make sure you have searched the Evidence Eliminator
KnowledgeBase online which can answer most questions instantly at
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support/kb/search.shtml
>
> I'm also going to try to replicate my recovery of data this weekend
> (last weekend got pretty damned busy) and if I succeed, well - look for
> further posts including web pages with screen shots.
>
> --
> Loki
> "Joan of Arc heard voices too!"
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From: "EE Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.privacy,alt.security.pgp,alt.security.scramdisk,alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject: Re: taking your PC in for repair? WARNING: What will they find?
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:49:21 +0100
Eric Lee Green is exposed for posting blatant lies about Evidence
Eliminator. He has been proved to be lying in this debate.
Don't get dis-informed - get the facts:
Eric Lee Green targets Evidence Eliminator users with false web pages:
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/dis-information.shtml
--
Best Regards,
The Evidence Eliminator Support Team
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support.shtml
--
Technical Support Questions: Before submitting additional questions,
please make sure you have searched the Evidence Eliminator
KnowledgeBase online which can answer most questions instantly at
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support/kb/search.shtml
"Eric Lee Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> M�mus wrote:
> > In article <9dvh27$30m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > "Omnivore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "P.Dulles" <*@*.com> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <9dv1q1$gt0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > > > >: Didn't you just say the exact same thing in another post?
> > > > >: I suppose a good lie bears repeating?
> > > > You really should quote there Omnivore, it gives us a clue
> > as to what
> > > > you may be referring to.
> > > Just pick an EE Support post at random. Odds are it would
> > be what I
> > > referred to. If not it is as much bullshit anyway.
> >
> > You're perception of exactness is a bit scarey. I sincerely
> > hope you're not a brain surgeon.
>
> On the other hand, one does not need to be a brain surgeon to poke one's
> finger into a pile of manure and have it come back dirty.
>
> See http://badtux.org/eric/editorial/scumbags.html for details on this
> particular pile of manure. (Unless you're the mysterious Mr. Ride -- I
> doubt that Mr. Churchill could figure out how to operate an anonymous
> remailer, so you're probably not Mr. Churchill).
>
> --
> Eric Lee Green mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Eric Lee Green is exposed for posting blatant lies about Evidence
Eliminator. He has been proved to be lying in this debate.
Don't get dis-informed - get the facts:
Eric Lee Green targets Evidence Eliminator users with false web pages:
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/dis-information.shtml
--
Best Regards,
The Evidence Eliminator Support Team
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support.shtml
--
Technical Support Questions: Before submitting additional questions,
please make sure you have searched the Evidence Eliminator
KnowledgeBase online which can answer most questions instantly at
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support/kb/search.shtml
------------------------------
From: "EE Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.privacy,alt.security.pgp,alt.security.scramdisk,alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject: Re: Evidence Eliminator works great. Beware anybody who claims it doesn't
work (propaganda)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:49:28 +0100
Eric Lee Green is exposed for posting blatant lies about Evidence
Eliminator. He has been proved to be lying in this debate.
Don't get dis-informed - get the facts:
Eric Lee Green targets Evidence Eliminator users with false web pages:
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/dis-information.shtml
--
Best Regards,
The Evidence Eliminator Support Team
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support.shtml
--
Technical Support Questions: Before submitting additional questions,
please make sure you have searched the Evidence Eliminator
KnowledgeBase online which can answer most questions instantly at
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support/kb/search.shtml
and for those fake serial #s............................
Who do you really think is posting those? Have you read the warning when you
try to enter a bogus serial?
Do you think anybody with any motive towards your genuine privacy will push
pirate serials to you knowing they will not work?
"Paul Crowley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "EE Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > By now you will have witnessed the mass hysteria about Evidence
Eliminator.
>
> As regular readers of some of these groups probably know, Evidence
> Eliminator doesn't work, which is why they spam newsgroups. The
> report they're keen to badmouth can be found here:
>
> http://badtux.org/eric/editorial/scumbags.html
>
> I know Eric because he was a thoughtful contributor to the "Appraising
> Microsoft" mailing list way back.
> --
> __ Paul Crowley
> \/ o\ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> /\__/ http://www.cluefactory.org.uk/paul/
> "Conservation of angular momentum makes the world go around" - John Clark
Eric Lee Green is exposed for posting blatant lies about Evidence
Eliminator. He has been proved to be lying in this debate.
Don't get dis-informed - get the facts:
Eric Lee Green targets Evidence Eliminator users with false web pages:
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/dis-information.shtml
--
Best Regards,
The Evidence Eliminator Support Team
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support.shtml
--
Technical Support Questions: Before submitting additional questions,
please make sure you have searched the Evidence Eliminator
KnowledgeBase online which can answer most questions instantly at
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support/kb/search.shtml
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From: "EE Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.privacy,alt.security.pgp,alt.security.scramdisk,alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject: Re: We are a scam - Like This Post Is....
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:50:28 +0100
Eric Lee Green is exposed for posting blatant lies about Evidence
Eliminator. He has been proved to be lying in this debate.
Don't get dis-informed - get the facts:
Eric Lee Green targets Evidence Eliminator users with false web pages:
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/dis-information.shtml
--
Best Regards,
The Evidence Eliminator Support Team
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support.shtml
--
Technical Support Questions: Before submitting additional questions,
please make sure you have searched the Evidence Eliminator
KnowledgeBase online which can answer most questions instantly at
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support/kb/search.shtml
"Eric Lee Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 13 May 2001 16:32:18 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<EEUser@Satisfaction.
> com> wrote:
> >I fully realize that anything I or any EE user says will be marked up
> >to us being company shills. It's easy to win arguments when the other
> >side is automatically disqulified. It seems the EE detractors think
> >that any method of slander or libel is allowed in retaliation for EE's
> >supposed spamming. But then fascist tactics against any enemy seem to
> >be tolerated these days.
>
> I will point out that the EE guys could eliminate half the problem by
> eliminating their libel page. It is *NEVER* good karma to make
> unfounded accusations about your competitors and/or critics, such as
> implying that I am in the pay of some Three Letter Agency or that I'm
> imaginary (hardly! A swift search of Google.com will show that I am
> very real, and have been very real since at least the late 80's, where
> some of my stuff is still sitting in various mailing list archives
> that have now been published on the web!).
>
> Frankly, they don't need critics to slander or libel them. They do a good
> enough job of it themselves, by acting arrogant (see
> http://badtux.org/eric/editorial/ee-arrogant.html ),
> unprofessional,
> (see http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/dis-information.shtml ), and
> by spamming (see http://badtux.org/eric/editorial/eespam5.html -- this
> one was posted by EESupport and he actually criticized somebody who
> criticized his spam, so we must assume it's real).
>
> I did not put up my pages until after they decided they were going to
> libel me. I did not escalate my campaign until I discovered that they
> had violated my copyrights on my web page and on my photograph, which they
> ripped off of my web page. Yes, my web page and its contents ARE
> copyrighted, by me, and yes, I *DID* notify them that they were violating
> my copyrights, and yes, they *DID* refuse to comply with my cease and
> desist request, so I must conclude that they are willful law breakers and
> treat them accordingly. I don't have to accuse them of being criminals.
> By their own behavior, they have proven it.
>
> I have no comment about how their software works. I've never used it.
> I never intend to use it, because I have no need (I don't use Windows
> for web browsing and don't keep any sensitive material on my Windows
> box). All I will say is that the company that sells the software is
> unprofessional, supports a large number of spammers, and is not the
> kind of people I would want to do business with when there are
> excellent alternatives available from REPUTABLE vendors at a lower
> price.
>
>
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Eric Lee Green is exposed for posting blatant lies about Evidence
Eliminator. He has been proved to be lying in this debate.
Don't get dis-informed - get the facts:
Eric Lee Green targets Evidence Eliminator users with false web pages:
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/dis-information.shtml
--
Best Regards,
The Evidence Eliminator Support Team
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support.shtml
--
Technical Support Questions: Before submitting additional questions,
please make sure you have searched the Evidence Eliminator
KnowledgeBase online which can answer most questions instantly at
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support/kb/search.shtml
------------------------------
From: "Ned Takahashi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DES Encryption - salt?
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:30:52 GMT
"Andreas Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:9e4ajf$t22l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom St Denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There are a lot of documents outta there describing DES,
> but no one describes the real crypt(3)-routine !
> And I didn't find any real crypt(3) routine, either. Just explanations how
> to use it... And the most crypt.c files were fakes :-(
>
Search for libdes or fcrypt.c on the net
I use a file called fcrypt to crack my passwords when i've forgotten a char
or two
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 23:06:06 +0100
From: David Hopwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cryptanalysis Question: Determing The Algorithm?
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"Bo D=F6mstedt" wrote:
> Tom St Denis:
> > Another problem is that typically we will have a Y that can make bad
> > ciphers.
>
> The security issue cannot be clarified at this point, as we are merely
> discussing a possibility.
[...]
> John Savard:
> > But then you yourself must design the algorithm, and you can only use=
> > it to send your own messages. So to get a secure algorithm, a very
> > large investment of expertise is needed, with a small return.
>
> Again, we note that we currently don't have the material to discuss
> security issues.
What else is there to discuss in sci.crypt (besides algorithm efficiency
and politics)? The point is, though, that you can't decide whether
various ideas for algorithm variability are a good idea, without
considering the effect on security that typical instantiations of those
ideas have in practice. As Tom alluded to earlier, key-dependent
variability in the path of data through a cipher makes it more difficult
to avoid weak key classes.
[...]
> Quoting "(per Kerckhoff)" don't help much, because what was it
> that A. Kerckhoffs wrote, really ?
> =
> Kerckhoffs, Auguste (1835-1903), Flemish professor,
> "La cryptographie militaire", 1883 (ref 1):
> > "Il faut qu'il puisse [le syst=E8me] sans inconv=E8nient tomber entre=
> > les mains de l'ennemi" [No inconvenience should occur if
> > the system falls into the hands of the enemy.]
"inconv=E8nient" here is stronger than the English word "inconvenience".
I would translate it as "No unpleasant consequence should occur ..."
> We note that this statement don't support the popular belief that
> "The enemy knows the algorithm being used".
The popular belief is that the enemy should be assumed, for the purpose
of security analysis, to know the algorithm being used. That is a
reasonable approach that follows almost directly from Kerckhoff's
statement.
- -- =
David Hopwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Home page & PGP public key: http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hopwood/
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1
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From: P.Dulles <*@*.com>
Crossposted-To:
alt.privacy,alt.security.pgp,alt.security.scramdisk,alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject: Re: We are a scam - Like This Post Is....
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 18:54:25 -0400
Reply-To: *@*.com
In article <l3XN6.8179$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>: Eric Lee Green is exposed for posting blatant lies about Evidence
>: Eliminator. He has been proved to be lying in this debate.
>:
>: Don't get dis-informed - get the facts:
>:
>: Eric Lee Green targets Evidence Eliminator users with false web pages:
>:
>: http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/dis-information.shtml
>:
>: --
>: Best Regards,
>: The Evidence Eliminator Support Team
>: http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support.shtml
>: --
>: Technical Support Questions: Before submitting additional questions,
>: please make sure you have searched the Evidence Eliminator
>: KnowledgeBase online which can answer most questions instantly at
>: http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support/kb/search.shtml
>:
>:
>:
>:
>:
>:
>: "Eric Lee Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>: > Hash: SHA1
>: >
>: > On 13 May 2001 16:32:18 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>: <EEUser@Satisfaction.
>: > com> wrote:
>: > >I fully realize that anything I or any EE user says will be marked up
>: > >to us being company shills. It's easy to win arguments when the other
>: > >side is automatically disqulified. It seems the EE detractors think
>: > >that any method of slander or libel is allowed in retaliation for EE's
>: > >supposed spamming. But then fascist tactics against any enemy seem to
>: > >be tolerated these days.
>: >
>: > I will point out that the EE guys could eliminate half the problem by
>: > eliminating their libel page. It is *NEVER* good karma to make
>: > unfounded accusations about your competitors and/or critics, such as
>: > implying that I am in the pay of some Three Letter Agency or that I'm
>: > imaginary (hardly! A swift search of Google.com will show that I am
>: > very real, and have been very real since at least the late 80's, where
>: > some of my stuff is still sitting in various mailing list archives
>: > that have now been published on the web!).
>: >
>: > Frankly, they don't need critics to slander or libel them. They do a good
>: > enough job of it themselves, by acting arrogant (see
>: > http://badtux.org/eric/editorial/ee-arrogant.html ),
>: > unprofessional,
>: > (see http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/dis-information.shtml ), and
>: > by spamming (see http://badtux.org/eric/editorial/eespam5.html -- this
>: > one was posted by EESupport and he actually criticized somebody who
>: > criticized his spam, so we must assume it's real).
>: >
>: > I did not put up my pages until after they decided they were going to
>: > libel me. I did not escalate my campaign until I discovered that they
>: > had violated my copyrights on my web page and on my photograph, which they
>: > ripped off of my web page. Yes, my web page and its contents ARE
>: > copyrighted, by me, and yes, I *DID* notify them that they were violating
>: > my copyrights, and yes, they *DID* refuse to comply with my cease and
>: > desist request, so I must conclude that they are willful law breakers and
>: > treat them accordingly. I don't have to accuse them of being criminals.
>: > By their own behavior, they have proven it.
>: >
>: > I have no comment about how their software works. I've never used it.
>: > I never intend to use it, because I have no need (I don't use Windows
>: > for web browsing and don't keep any sensitive material on my Windows
>: > box). All I will say is that the company that sells the software is
>: > unprofessional, supports a large number of spammers, and is not the
>: > kind of people I would want to do business with when there are
>: > excellent alternatives available from REPUTABLE vendors at a lower
>: > price.
>: >
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>:
>:
>: Eric Lee Green is exposed for posting blatant lies about Evidence
>: Eliminator. He has been proved to be lying in this debate.
Oh? Who has proven it? Where is the proof?
>:
>: Don't get dis-informed - get the facts:
>:
>: Eric Lee Green targets Evidence Eliminator users with false web pages:
>:
>: http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/dis-information.shtml
>:
>: --
>: Best Regards,
>: The Evidence Eliminator Support Team
>: http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/support.shtml
How many times must you post this before people become aware that you
are scared of Eric Lee Green?
--
Loki
"Joan of Arc heard voices too!"
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From: "Omnivore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.privacy,alt.security.pgp,alt.security.scramdisk,alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject: Re: We are a scam
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 16:00:23 -0700
"EE Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:j3XN6.8177$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
>
> "P.Dulles" <*@*.com> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > >: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, *@*.com wrote:
> > >:
> > >: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > >: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > >: > >: On Fri, 11 May 2001 00:12:11 -0400, P.Dulles <*@*.com> wrote:
> > >: > >:
> > >: > >: >In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > >: > >: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > >: > >: >>: We are well known for fleecing our user base. We use shock
> > >: marketing and spam
> > >: > >: >>: tactics to try to trick newbies into freaking out and buying
> our
> > >: product.
> > >: > >: >>:
> > >: > >: >>: The problem is that our product is a fraud. It doesn't do
> what
> > >: we claim. It
> > >: > >: >>: never will. It just pretends to be working. We do a quick
> > >: overwrite to fool
> > >: > >: >>: minor undelete utilities. But we cannot defeat real
forensics
> > >: software.
> > >: > >: >>:
> > >: > >: >>: This isn't a problem because the type of users we fleece,
> > >: wouldn't know how to
> > >: > >: >>: run real forensics software. This makes it easy for us.
> Anyway,
> > >: I had to come
> > >: > >: >>: clean. The kid running this company is out of control. If
> you
> > >: buy from him,
> > >: > >: >>: you deserve to be fleeced.
> > >: > >: >>:
> > >: > >: >>: --
> > >: > >: >>: Best Regards,
> > >: > >: >>: The Evidence Eliminator Support Team
> > >: > >: >>: http://www.evidence-eliminator.con/support.shtml
> > >: > >: >
> > >: > >: >Forged posts is just NOT cool.
> > >: > >:
> > >: > >: Please show how it was forged.
> > >: >
> > >: > Do you honestly think any business would write this? It would
> > >: > immediately close them down, expose them to litigation from every
> > >: > customer, and destroy what little positive reputation they have.
> > >: >
> > >: > I maintain that they did not write this. It would require criminal
> > >: > stupidity for any business to write such a letter.
> > >: >
> > >:
> > >: jeez, I guess you missed the ".con" job.
> >
> > No - it just seems that there are so many fake (with the spam) addies
> > for them dot "con" seemed to be the most accurate.
> >
> > However, I did appreciate the humor.
> >
> > Still though, I'm not for using their own tactics against them.
> > Confrontation should be done legitimately. Now let's see if they answer
> > my questions.
>
> If you can distill your questions to a simple format and prove that
Evidence
> Eliminator doesn't not work, we will upgrade it. There's so much junk and
> stooge posts on this NG. Is it not just a little too much to expect any
> company to sort through the noise on here to find a good question to
answer.
> Our tech support is always happy to help.
The main problem is your unscrupulous marketing tactics.
Then there is your outrageous claims as if your overpriced product is
the only one that does such a job that a number of freeware and not very
expensive products don't do as well.
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From: P.Dulles <*@*.com>
Crossposted-To:
alt.privacy,alt.security.pgp,alt.security.scramdisk,alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject: Re: We are a scam
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 18:57:36 -0400
Reply-To: *@*.com
In article <j3XN6.8177$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>:
>:
>:
>: "P.Dulles" <*@*.com> wrote in message
>: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>: > >: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, *@*.com wrote:
>: > >:
>: > >: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>: > >: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>: > >: > >: On Fri, 11 May 2001 00:12:11 -0400, P.Dulles <*@*.com> wrote:
>: > >: > >:
>: > >: > >: >In article
>: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>: > >: > >: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>: > >: > >: >>: We are well known for fleecing our user base. We use shock
>: > >: marketing and spam
>: > >: > >: >>: tactics to try to trick newbies into freaking out and buying
>: our
>: > >: product.
>: > >: > >: >>:
>: > >: > >: >>: The problem is that our product is a fraud. It doesn't do
>: what
>: > >: we claim. It
>: > >: > >: >>: never will. It just pretends to be working. We do a quick
>: > >: overwrite to fool
>: > >: > >: >>: minor undelete utilities. But we cannot defeat real forensics
>: > >: software.
>: > >: > >: >>:
>: > >: > >: >>: This isn't a problem because the type of users we fleece,
>: > >: wouldn't know how to
>: > >: > >: >>: run real forensics software. This makes it easy for us.
>: Anyway,
>: > >: I had to come
>: > >: > >: >>: clean. The kid running this company is out of control. If
>: you
>: > >: buy from him,
>: > >: > >: >>: you deserve to be fleeced.
>: > >: > >: >>:
>: > >: > >: >>: --
>: > >: > >: >>: Best Regards,
>: > >: > >: >>: The Evidence Eliminator Support Team
>: > >: > >: >>: http://www.evidence-eliminator.con/support.shtml
>: > >: > >: >
>: > >: > >: >Forged posts is just NOT cool.
>: > >: > >:
>: > >: > >: Please show how it was forged.
>: > >: >
>: > >: > Do you honestly think any business would write this? It would
>: > >: > immediately close them down, expose them to litigation from every
>: > >: > customer, and destroy what little positive reputation they have.
>: > >: >
>: > >: > I maintain that they did not write this. It would require criminal
>: > >: > stupidity for any business to write such a letter.
>: > >: >
>: > >:
>: > >: jeez, I guess you missed the ".con" job.
>: >
>: > No - it just seems that there are so many fake (with the spam) addies
>: > for them dot "con" seemed to be the most accurate.
>: >
>: > However, I did appreciate the humor.
>: >
>: > Still though, I'm not for using their own tactics against them.
>: > Confrontation should be done legitimately. Now let's see if they answer
>: > my questions.
>:
>: If you can distill your questions to a simple format and prove that Evidence
>: Eliminator doesn't not work, we will upgrade it. There's so much junk and
>: stooge posts on this NG. Is it not just a little too much to expect any
>: company to sort through the noise on here to find a good question to answer.
>: Our tech support is always happy to help.
>:
>: --
>: Best Regards,
>: The Evidence Eliminator Support Team
Right - cowards way out. I couldn't have made the questions and more
simple or direct had I addressed them to an elementary schooler. Look
for the thread "TO EE SUPPORT" if you feel like answering them.
--
Loki
"Joan of Arc heard voices too!"
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