At 22:33 2005-02-16 +0000, Ian G wrote:
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

According to Bruce Schneier's blog (http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/sha1_broken.html), a team has found collisions in full SHA-1. It's probably not a practical threat today, since it takes 2^69 operations to do it and we haven't heard claims that NSA et al. have built massively parallel hash function collision finders, but it's an impressive achievement nevertheless -- especially since it comes just a week after NIST stated that there were no successful attacks on SHA-1.


Stefan Brands just posted on my blog (and I saw reference to this in other blogs, posted anon) saying that "it seems that Schneier forgot to mention that the paper has a footnote which says that the attack on full SHA-1 only works if some padding (which SHA-1 requires) is not done."

http://www.financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/000355.html

No, that's not what it says. It says that "Note that padding rules were not applied to the message." This is exactly the same as the previous breaks; it just means that the collision appears in the chaining output... if you just append anything at all to the end of the texts, and pad it correctly, you will have valid SHA-1 hashes. Nothing different here than from the MD4/MD5/SHA-0 breaks.


Since I'm typing anyway, I'll also reply to Joseph Ashwood's earlier mail, in which he said:
[...] SHA-1 showing big cracks, the entire SHA series is in doubt, and needs to be heavily reconsidered, [...]

If you look at Phil Hawkes' paper <http://eprint.iacr.org/2004/207.pdf>, you will see that the SHA-2s are very different algorithms, and my own opinion is that the data-expansion part of the algorithm is *seriously* beefed up. My guess is that the NSA were already worried about this kind of attack (whether they'd found it or not). We don't have a good analysis of the data-expansion part, but I'm pretty sure that it'll defeat the Wang attacks.


Greg.

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