----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor Duchovni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: EMV [was: Re: Why Blockbuster looks at your ID.]
Whose loses do these numbers measure?
- Issuer Bank?
I'd say that you've fairly well hit the nail on the head. I've actually been
meaning to reply to this for about a week now. The truth is that each credit
card transaction actually has either 3 or 4 parties; User U, Merchant M,
Credit Card Issuer CCI, and Merchant Insurer MI (this is simplified there
are generally multiple parties under CCI).
Under legitimate circumstances the process is fairly simple; Legitimate User
LU agrees to pay CCI, CCI already has an agreement to pay M, and M supplies
the product/service to LU. During billing LU pays CCI, CCI pays M, everyone
Things are different in the case of False User FU. FU goes to M, FU agrees
for LU to pay CCI, CCI (believing FU is LU) agrees to pay M, M supplies the
product/service to FU. During billing is where things get strange. LU
reports the bad transaction to CCI. CCI informs M and does not pay M. FU
gets the product, M accepts the loss. In the normal case MI and M are the
same entity so the buck stops there, if MI is seperate from M, then MI
reimburses M for some portion.
It's important to understand exactly who loses what when FU is in the
picture. CCI loses the commision, generally a small flat fee on the order of
$0.35, and a percentage generally <2%, this is not a large amount to lose,
and the phone call to report the problem actually costs more than is lost,
followed by the filing and tracking of the correct paperwork, this is the
ACTUAL loss for CCI. MI loses the cost of the product/service reimbursed. LU
loses basically nothing except time. FU obviously gains.
The point being that expecting CCI to foot a multi-billion dollar bill to
change the process so that MI doesn't lose the money doesn't make sense. CCI
will only work to increase CCIs profits. It is up to MI to pay for the
upgraded systems by working with CCI towards CCIs goals (fewer losses for MI
also means fewer reports to CCI so fewer losses). LU may be willing to foot
part of the bill for the perceived improvements, CCI will only foot the
portion that is in CCIs favor, MI will have to foot the majority of the bill
and will only do so when it is in MIs favor. With credit card fraud
decreasing, it is not in MIs favor to examine it at this time.
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