On 16/12/12 01:01 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
On 2012-12-16 6:23 AM, Andy Steingruebl wrote:
given some of the more recent attacks against Google (and Facebook's)
customers they believe that active MiTM is actually a real threat, and
would rather not pretend to protect you from it when they aren't, by
using a self-signed certificate that they haven't verified in any way,
even by you presenting it.

Recent MITM attacks have been by entities that are likely to be able to
coerce a CA.

And, given that CA-signed client certs of a low grade are typically validated with an email confirmation, something that google itself retains core capabilities in, over & above the CAs, and indeed, the CA's validation will rely on google's gmail, the logic remains byzantine.

Factory-certs are generally less secure than a self-signed, self-presented certificate. Indeed, musing aloud, it seems provable.

iang
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