> I think you are missing the point here. There are lots of CMS driven > websites that have their layout controlled by CSS. This is not to say > that every page is identical, obviously you need different hooks, or > divs, on different pages. CSS Toolshed is not against that. The point > is that you can use CSS and divs instead of TABLES. If you look at the > different pages on CSS Toolshed, you will see exactly what I'm talking > about... there's actually at least 3 different page templates, not > just one. Please don't be mislead.
Exactly. Consider the Shed a simulator of a maintenance task. Many times we get allocated to a project that is already out of order or the templating language just does not allow you to change it without breaking 20000 other pages. This is when you need to prove that CSS can even help there. True, it might be less optimised compared to the CSS you can create when you get all the hooks you need, but it still beats mixing presentation and layout just because the templating engine is outdated. I was basically annoyed by the CSS Zen Garden becoming an image replacement contest rather than a showcase for the powers of CSS. Many times I sat down with clients whom I had to help to redesign their site. These are councils for example who legally have to be accessible, resizable and all that jazz. If you show an elaborately graphical Zen Garden design as an example of the powers of CSS you lead non-technical clients to believe that this is possible by CSS magic. The repetition of explaining that something like this is only possible when you know and control the markup, and when you don't change the amount (or sometimes even size or language) of elements is something I've grown entirely sick off. I thought it was time to show that CSS can cater for different situations, that there is beauty in flexibility and giving up control for the users benefit. -- Chris Heilmann Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/