Hi Ingo - thanks for that link, proof that it's possible to integrate the idea. The problem persists though, because while your example shows a single background image _under_ the <li>s, what I'm proposing is that IE cope with a BG image being applied to _each_ li. In fact, you can see that I am (successfully in FF etc) swapping a "+" and "-" .png for the collapsed/expanded menu sections, and then using a different 'plain stencil' for the actual link buttons. I can't figure out how to transpose your model down from the <div> level to the <li> and <a> level and have (potentially) multiple backgrounds. In the mean time, I've simply hidden the PNG backgrounds entirely from IE via a separate stylesheet (and added a different hover, non-transparent behaviour there). But the site this menu is intended for is not about boxy boxes - I need my curves, man! Can anyone take a stab at solving this? Page is at HYPERLINK "http://www.hoscote.com/test/menu.html"http://www.hoscote.com/test/menu.html , with the "be nice to IE" version at HYPERLINK "http://www.hoscote.com/test/menu1.html"http://www.hoscote.com/test/menu1.ht ml Keeping everyting crossed (especially eyes...) Adrian
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