[quick note: i'm creating a site that needs a lot of hooks for various
people (including me), which is why you'll see spans in here that
don't seem necessary.]

the menu i'm working with was working great with my different css
files until i started putting <span> tags in the <li>s, at which point
IE threw a hissy fit and no longer showed the borders at all.  while
trying to figure out what was going on, i discovered that if i put any
text at all in front of the link, IE would work again.  i put both a
with-spaces and without-spaces test page together.

http://sltclan.com/images/cj/menu-problem-with-ie.html


the css and html validate.  if someone could also tell me why IE moves
my menu to the right when you hover for the first time on a fresh page
load, i'd love to fix that too.  it's been driving me crazy.
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