cj wrote:

>>>assuming i rework my whole theme framework (joy) to accomodate moving
>>>backgrounds around, is there any way i can get:
>>>
>>>- a fixed globe at the bottom of the viewport (preferably above the
>>>footer if the footer is showing) without putting the globe in the
>>>footer (because other themes use the footer and i can't really change
>>>that one part)
>>>
>>>- a max width of 1,000px with a color on the outside and the globe
>>>showing inside of the content area instead of on top of or behind the
>>>outside coloring (which it's doing now at larger browser sizes).
>>>
>>>- footer sticks at the bottom (like it does now).  i know
>>>.master-form's specified height ruins some fixes for the globe, but i
>>>don't know of another way that would work for the footer.
>>>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>      
>>>
>[... some more communication ...]
>
>>francky:
>>... the globe isn't cut off at the right side anymore! See adapted testpage
>><http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/cj-background-nw1.htm>.
>>    
>>
>the globe does finally fit there.  :)  for some reason, when i first
>view the page in 1024x768 and then maximize to my full resolution of
>1600x1200 the footer ends at the bottom of the content, leaving a
>large white space underneath it, and the globe hides behind the footer
>and gets cut off underneath the footer.  the footer also streches
>across the entire page for me.
>
>[resized way down, so it looks really bad]
>http://sltclan.com/images/cj/globe-cut.png
>  
>
Yes, I see. That's not so good.
So I went on freakin': jigsawing new css in the testpage, learning from 
trial and error ;-) .
Now in theory the width was o.k., I could have a better look at the 
possible height-variants. Developing new versions ... for the recycle 
bin. But after all, all of a sudden, some light in darkness.
See new testpage 
<http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/cj-background-nw4a.htm>.
Now the footer is real footer, everything fixed position on screen, and 
soft scrolling through the content. From 640x480 (!) to 1280x1024 
anyway, and font sizing allowed. Both validators happy. Me too.

Yippy..., eh, ho! This was only Firefox.
You guess: IE a mess...

Some more trials, errors and filling reclycling bin: found a workaround 
as in this testpage 
<http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/cj-background-nw2d.htm> 
(for IE, Opera and Netscape6). - Validators still happy.

It is all rough material: inline styles, not cleaned up, and not 
combined in an universal stylesheet with appriopriate hacks and so.
Don't know if you can use some of it (because of frogs and deadlines), 
but thought you may be interested to see.
Anyway I've amused experimenting. :-)
Aha, while checking the testpages after uploading, I believe FF can 
handle the IE-version too! Minor differences as not completely showing 
the top-right image (should be some margin-padding thing), but no time 
for further investigating.

You said: "i always seem to need the impossible don't i?  :) "
Ï think a can agree: I like that. Man has to be superior to the machine!

francky

ps: the javascript was just an idea; indeed sniffing at browsers can get 
you sneezy due to all the different availWidth-definitions.
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