Scott Spilker wrote:

> On 28 Apr, 2006, at 16:53, francky wrote:
>
>> Hi Scott,
>> As I asked in my first reply
>> <http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/ css-discuss/73735>
>> why don't you forget the png's with their IE-hack troubles?
>>
>> * Instead of pasting the images directly in the background, you can
>>    also make transparent gif's of them. For the images you used,
>>    there is no quality loss (from 16M colors to 256 colors!)  
>> visible. [1]
>> * Winning lots of download speed too.
>> * No IE styles for this needed, no hiding IE styles needed for the
>>    css-validator.
>> * In the meantime, the problem with the background clickable - but
>>    not the img itself: solved.
>>
>> See testpage:
>> <http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-rturn.htm>.
>>
>> [1] In case there are several pages with this background and this  
>> menu (or in case this is just the only one), you can paint 
>> everything  in the body-background image (saving even more kB's).
>> In case there are more pages with the same menu (= menu-images), but  
>> with a different background, you can use the example of the testpage.
>
> The problem is the images look positively horrible as gifs, while 
> tolerably horrible at transparent PNGs.
> [...]

???
I would think in my example there is no visible difference: gif as good 
as the png. With my eyes (perhaps I need better ones ;-) ): even in 
resolution 640x480 on my 17in monitor I don't remark any disturbing 
difference in quality. [1]
So I made another more comparing testpage:
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-rturn-gif.htm

Still don't see a "positively horrible gif"... [2]

Greetings,
francky

[1] To avoid the grey background in IE, it is needed to add to the IE 
hack that there must be no background image. Otherwise you get the img 
two times: once as background-img (still with the grey) and the filtered 
one on top of it. That is the same as without the filter!

[2] To make the transsparent gif, you need a reasonable paint program 
and a bit experimenting - I used Paint Sho Pro.
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