Been playing with your problem for an hour and I'd say it's impossible, because overflow:hidden-ing the text is the same as floating it, see http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#block-formatting
What about using javascript to determine if the text is taller than the float, and switching between your solutions #2 and #3 accordingly? - Manuel ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/