Have you ever used a screen reader to navigate a nested table page? I have, and the experience is nightmarish. Have you ever had to maintain the look and feel of a table-based site? I have, and the experience is nightmarish and a waste of time and money. Not to mention the fact that when you use tables for layout you are not reflecting the semantic structure of your content - ie how it is searched, how it can be styled for different devices (not just the screen readers you callously dismiss).
A weak case? I don't think you understand the case at all, ot care. As for evangelism, it's fast becoming common sense and a natural sense of evolution rather than preaching. As far as bumping into 'compliant' sites that have nav after content for example, at least people are trying - it's a learning curve. Anyway, I don't think you'll get much purchase with this argument on this list - it's to help people learn, understand and use css, not to enforce outdated ways of working or start a philsophical debate. ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/