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#content { position: relative; padding-left: 20px; padding-right: 20px; background-color: #000000; color: #ffffff; background-image: url(images/contentpaper.gif); background-repeat: repeat-y;} This css has a white gap above & below the #content div. It does even if I put in padding-top: 0; & padding-bottom: 0; padding: 20px; removes the white space, but I don't want top & bottom padding. What am I doing wrong? (The only validation errors are a missing print stylesheet page that I haven't defined yet & missing alt tags which will have no bearing on this issue). Joanne ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/