oh yeh for IE.... give that ul that contains the navigation, a float:left. then clear:both; for the breadcrumb element afterwards... i believe basically it does not 'contain' the float children, like draw a border around the ul be4 and after the rule change. I bet be4 the border doesnt wrap around the li, and after rule does. Since the ul doesnt 'contain' the li, it is basically empty. and the next thing (breadcrumbs) gets margins leaked through from previous in flow element, p_address?
i dunno i am taking a big guess, without much effort. good luck. Arin ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/