>>Does anyone know of an unobtrusive way to do the same thing without using the br/?<<
I think it's the PIE site that has the alternative - very slight extra markup. In the div you want to clear, add 'class="clearfix"'. The CSS: .clearfix:after { content:"."; display:block; height:0; clear:both; visibility:hidden; } It won't work in IE, but then again IE pushes past floated elemenss anyway. (Although I have had the occasional glitch with Netscape, but for the most part it works very well.) All you have to do is add 'class="clearfix"' to any element you want cleared. ~Shelly ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/