Hi Alan!

Thank you so much for your generous help with my drop down nav. I especially 
appreciate you taking the time to show me what the removing floats technique 
does. I am going to have to study your reply to fully understand the changes 
you made to the css and why it works (I hate being a beginner, but what else 
can I do?), but one thing I can do right now is put a transparent background on 
my menu images!

Best Wishes, and thank you again,

Ellen


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> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:27:03 -0700
> From: Alan Gresley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [css-d] drop down nav
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> Ellen Pham wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is my first web site, and I haven't been able to get this drop down 
> > nav list to behave
> > properly in IE. It behaves better in mozilla, but still not great (for 
> > example, the background of
> > the drop down nav doesn't resize when the # of items in the list gets 
> > shorter, making the space
> > between "Doll Chat" and "Contact" look funny). Will someone take a look and 
> > tell me where I have
> > gone wrong?
> >
> > http://lovelydollcompany.com/
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Ellen
> >
> > PS I know the site should be using more css and less tables... I'm working 
> > on it (actually, I'm
> > hoping the new version of Dreamweaver CS3 will have a nice, unstyled 
> > template that will solve all
> > my problems, but I have to install more RAM to run it)
> 
> Hi Ellen
> 
> I have played around with the CSS (sliced it to pieces), and rearrange some 
> of the code.
> 
> <http://css-class.com/x/doll/lovelydollcompany2.htm>
> 
> Working the same now in IE7, FF and Opera. You had a negative left margin on 
> the #left float containing the menu and this caused the #left element to 
> drift slightly out of the viewpoint on the left when the viewpoint was 
> narrowed far enough. The reason you this was obviously to not have the menu 
> overlap the baby doll image. The lasted demo shows that the menu is slightly 
> overlapping the baby doll image. Can those menu images have a transparent 
> background instead of a pink background. This overlapped of the image I find 
> ok, since all background colors have been removed.
> 
> Please note that I have removed all font size 12px. This causes IE to freeze 
> the font.
> 
> At this point the menu is not highly accessible. It can not be tabbed through 
> and if images are disabled, the main menu images items don't show.
> 
> Please note that both #left and #right (blue border) floats has the Georg 
> Sorten's removing floats technique [1] employed using negative margins. The 
> reason is that the divs containing the baby doll image have hasLayout with a 
> width specified. The removing the floats technique counters the bug where 
> elements with hasLayout don't flow around floats [2] causing the hasLayout 
> elements to drop below or be shifted by floats. Please see the demo without 
> these negative margins. Mote how the #left float forces the image divs to be 
> pushed right and the #right float forces the image divs downwards.
> 
> <http://css-class.com/x/doll/lovelydollcompany3.htm>
> 
> Now the removing floats technique does wonders for Firefox to (more so then 
> IE would you believe). Initially the baby doll image is well down the page 
> and when the menu items are hovered, the images drops more.
> 
> [1] <http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_chaos_03.html>
> 
> [2] <http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html#nextfloat>
> 
> How IE6 will respond to the changes is a mystery to me. I hope this helps.
> 
> Kind Regards, Alan
> http://css-class.com/
> 
> 
> 
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