At 16:08 -0700 24/1/08, Dean Mah wrote:
>That would be an issue to take up with the css-d owner and moderators.
>  evolt.org takes not manage the list, we only host it.
>
>There must be reasons for the list being completely moderated and I
>would suspect that the amount of time that a message is held is
>related to the number of moderators and their schedules.
>
>Dean
>- on behalf of evolt.org


Thank you Dean

The fault is mine. I misread Rob's initial email and thought that 
this had been happening to him repeatedly (rereading it, it patently 
says nothing of the kind).

We hold new subscribers' posts for moderation to make sure that they 
are not spammers signing up to unleash their wicked ways. Once we've 
seen that a new poster is ok, then we unmoderate them. Of course, the 
mailman interface doesn't allow us to see when subscribers signed up 
or when they were unmoderated which might have checked my foolhardy 
blustering. Though probably not, since today there has been a lag of 
at least several hours with mail which was probably the thing which 
led me furthest up the wrong path.

Idiot moderator. Let me remind myself (and others on the list) of 
this passage in the list's guidelines:

>>>>
If it's taking a long time for your post to show up, wait. When 
traffic flows are heavy and the server gets overtaxed, it can be a 
few hours before your message gets processed and sent out to 
everyone. On the other hand, if you can see from the timestamps that 
people who posted after you have had their messages go out, something 
else may be wrong. Wait a while longer, and then contact the list 
administrators. Do not post a "test" message to the list. It will 
either have no effect, or make you look foolish.
<<<<
http://www.css-discuss.org/policies.html

Mail can take a long time.



>>   That's unacceptable. We're posting for help and expecting something back in
>>  a reasonable amount of time. Having to wait 12 hours before a post is
>>  released results in losing a day's work.
>>
>>   Tim Burkart


I don't know where this quote came from, but I'd like to take this 
opportunity to address it.

You only have to wait for approval the very first time you post. As 
often as not, that approval is given within a couple of hours, if not 
even sooner.

The list exists as a community resource. No one is owed anything by 
the list. If someone loses a day's work because their question wasn't 
answered quickly enough for them (whether the delay was caused by 
slothful moderators or apathy from the list in general), then that, I 
am afraid, is their lookout.

Don't leave things to the last minute. Don't expect instant miracles 
from the list. Treat it right and it will treat you right too. Spread 
the CSS love...


Alex "Soon to be sleeping with the fish" Robinson
css-d moderator
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