Thanks to everyone that has helped me with this problem!

Alas, I have dabbed some Rogaine on my head and ended up staying with the 
tables rather than DIV.   Why?   Well, tables, thus far seem to be less 
problematic between browsers (at least for my case) as well as between versions 
of the same browser.

Yes, I had to nest and nest and nest, but in the end, to get the DIV tags to 
work, I also had to end up nesting, and in the case of using DIVs, it was not 
so obvious as to the rationale; a supportability issue.

If every browser just conformed to the standards and did not have their own 
interpretation of that standard (a "standard" standard, now there is a novel 
idea!), life would be bliss.   DIVs would have been so much cleaner.



Regards,
   Steven Garno
       CarpeDatum Inc.
     www.CarpeDatumInc.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gunlaug Sørtun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 2:20 AM
To: Steven Garno
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [css-d] Help! I have no more hair!

Steven Garno wrote:
> I have been pulling my hair out trying to get this layout to work 
> using DIV tags.   With all the bugs, and hacks that I have been 
> reading through in a ton of pages, I can't seem to get the recipe 
> right.

Can't help you with your hair-problem, and I think you'll run into two
problems that together makes your layout-problem nearly unsolvable in
practice.

1: how tall is a browser-window? I usually limit the hight-range to from
400px to 2400px, which already is too much for most such layouts. The
real size-range is larger.

2: plenty of visitors will use a browser that doesn't support the
relevant CSS properties, so you'll have to add workarounds for those.

Apart from that the recipe has been around for a while - here...
<http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#fixed-positioning>
...but you'll have to relax on your requirements a bit if you want it to
work in practice, or else you'll just keep on losing hair for no good
reason.

A workaround for the weakest browser in regular use can be found here...
<http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_15.html>
...but it doesn't solve the problem with the size-range for
browser-windows. It does however solve the problems well enough for
comfort for "slightly less fixed and a lot more relaxed" designs, like
this one...
<http://www.gunlaug.no/main-en.html>
...which at the moment is waiting for an improved beta-version of IE8 to
arrive.

regards
        Georg
-- 
http://www.gunlaug.no
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