Hi John,
Try replacing these declarations. I "think" this is what your wanting.

/* new header nav */
#main_nav{
        /*      border:1px solid red; */
        /* border:1px solid rgb(255,255,255); */
        /* float:left; */
        /* width:100%; */
}

#main_nav ul{
        list-style-type:none;
        /* position:relative; */
        margin:.5em 0 0 0;
        padding:0 0 0 1.25em;
}

#middle{
        /* border:1px solid green; */
        margin:0;
        /* padding:2em 0 0 0; */
        /*overflow: :hidden;*/
}

#footer_nav ul li ul{
        margin:1em 0 0 0;
        /* position:absolute; */
        visibility:hidden;
        opacity:0;
        transition:visibility 0s linear 0.35s, opacity 0.5s linear;
}

HTH,
Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com



On Aug 16, 2014, at 7:11 PM, John <j...@coffeeonmars.com> wrote:

> At this link, http://www.coffeeonmars.com/screenshots/menu-prob/product.php I 
> am having issues with the header nav in that I feel I’ve done a lot of 
> kludges to get it to behave correctly and not explode the page..
> 
> ...such as giving a white 1px border to the nav (else everything below it 
> disappears!)
> 
> I know that some floats are necessary to make the child menu items behave 
> correctly, but I’ve had to float the menu itself or else the sub nav at the 
> left (also floated left) shoots over to the right.
> 
> My question: can anyone suggest how I might better construct this header nav? 
> it basically looks the way it needs to; would prefer fewer kludges to get it 
> that way. Fewer kludges tells me fewer things to bite me down the road.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> John
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