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John E. Cavanaugh MD. "There's always a wrong way to do the right thing" ... Cavanaugh's Law > On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:23, Barney Carroll <barney.carr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > IE and Mozilla have now committed to supporting -webkit- prefixed > properties. > > The obvious problem is that the W3C is too slow and cumbersome for many > people's desires and expectations of the web. IE6 came with a suite of > incredibly powerful functionality that the rest of browser-land is only now > catching up to (filter: anyone?). The problem then was that some of the > earliest webapps were designed specifically for IE, back when there was no > conceivable way of forking the code to achieve similar functionality in > other browsers. VML was submitted 2 years before SVG started taking > shape. IE6's lofty goals were almost reinstated in the "HTML5 in the > broadest sense" that the W3 tried to make a PR splash about (embedded > multimedia, file-system API, seamless vector graphics in HTML, CSS3 > transforms & filters). But once again, people have come to expect awesome > stuff that the W3C is too slow to ratify to a universal consensus. > > So the responsibility (which, I agree, ultimately rests on website authors) > comes down to managing expectations. It's tough to say no, especially when > there's a lot of money in it and many people in the trade of web > development are inclined to exploratory hacking anyway. It's becoming > increasingly more difficult to tell people you can't, in good conscience, > serve up code relying on unratified specifications, when implementation of > such functionality is ubiquitous (and you know how to do it). A few years > ago web development studios started finding the willpower to tell clients > they wouldn't commit to like-for-like experiences in legacy Internet > Explorer versions, and for a while standards-compliance seemed to be that > bit more tenable – but recently I've come across numerous situations where > people will say they only care about Chrome & iOS support. > > As regards the 'reasonableness' of these various expectations, I think W3C > compliant validity is at its most applicable when it comes to web sites > consisting of many documents: you want these documents to be consistent > with each-other and marked up to universal standards for reasons of > posterity & universal access. For my part, what I've been working on for > the better part of the last year would be more accurately described as web > apps: there's a single HTML document and it acts more as a wrapper for > dynamic functionality. The term 'document' barely applies, and the > use-cases are so esoteric and business-critical that the client will > happily use a specific browser version in order to guarantee expected > behaviour. > > Regards, > Barney Carroll > > barney.carr...@gmail.com > +44 7429 177278 > > barneycarroll.com > >> On 7 October 2014 13:53, Philip Taylor <p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk> wrote: >> >> >> >> Barney Carroll wrote: >> >> I'm wondering how differently my career might have worked out if all >>> those times IE came up I'd just told the client to get onto Bill Gates >>> about it. >> >> If /every/ W3C-compliant web site had carried that text, the world might >> now be a very different (and much better) place ... I love Windows (7), >> completely fail to understand the masochistic appeal of *X, but nonetheless >> deeply wish that Mr Gates (and Mr Google, and all the rest of the Big Boys) >> cared more about complying to standards and less about seeking to define >> them. This guy identifies many of the problems in a nuthell : >> >> http://www.sitepoint.com/w3c-css-webkit-prefix-crisis/ >> >> Philip Taylor > ______________________________________________________________________ > css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
