There is no such thing as a good java developer when he's a university,technikon,college grad
Good Java developers gets developed when the developer him/herself developes a passion for what he/she is doing.
I help some1 yesterday who cant even fix stupid ASP problems.
Cant even debug or even more worse cant even find line numbers to look at source.
And then you criticize universities and technikons....
Think again.... its the passion
And then i dont even get a thank you.
Antoine Fortuine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I can no longer stand back! I must join this thread!!! ;)
Personally, I attribute this to the high learning curve and quantity of knowledge required to be a *good* Java programmer.
Generally, we're expected to understand Linux/Unix, a good few Database types (Oracle, Sybase, Postgres, etc), web servers and containers (JBoss, Tomcat), networking (RMI, Jini) AND the core language itself. Companies want Java programmers because they want a mishmash networking application which other languages can't do as easily.
Now when I think back to programming in COBOL and the like and probably even VB and C# to some degree you only have to understand the program and some of the system architecture.
*Good* Java programmers generally need to be sysadmins/developers in order to get a good system going.
I know there's Swing development but who ONLY works on Swing? Generally you end up doing the backend as well (ie. database stuff, filesystems, networking, etc).
Like I said ... the learning curve is steep and you can generally only learn this stuff on the job. No course on earth can prepare you for the myriad of network and OS setups in various companies and you just need to Google/break/hack these setups until your code works and you understand what the heck is going on. ;)
But that's just my personal understanding of the situation.
Regards,
Antoine
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] on behalf of Dr Heinz M. Kabutz
Sent: Tue 1/31/2006 2:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Promoting Africa
> Don't forget as well that in the current South African socio-economic
> climate there is a personnel shortage in other industries as well, in
> fact, Sunday's career times (part of the sunday times) reported that
> the shortage in the engineering sector (a related industry) is more
> acute than in the computing sector. 1 in 3 job adverts in the career
> times are for engineers.
>
> As for the reason for the shortage of good java developers, there just
> aren't enough java developers entering the industry to cope with the
> demand. Other issue is that you don't necessarily get a good java
> developer merely by them going through computer science at University.
> It takes more than that.
Ok, so engineering and software development is experiencing a shortage.
Just got off the phone from someone in Johannesburg begging me to tell
him about *good* Java programmers willing to work for him. So it is
not just Cape Town.
So what is causing the shortage of good software developers? Not just
Java, but in general? I don't think we can blame the universities.
Why is there such a shortage in South Africa, and how much longer
before the industry collapses here due to inability to find staff?
Kind regards from
Heinz
--
Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions)
Sun Java Champion
Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter"
http://www.javaspecialists.co.za
Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633
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