I believe that corporate (or large organisations) have a social
responsibility to employ and give inexperienced developers opportunity
to learn.

This said, if I had a small company (i.e. <5 developers) then I doubt
that I would hire a someone fresh out of tech or varsity.... I don't
believe that they have the skill required.... that is business or
technical skill. I would rather pay more for more skill - I will save
big time in the long run. I would also be looking for someone who is
mature as far as development is concerned.... here I don't mean
technically - I mean in their approach to development. Yip, this is a
generalisation, so it wouldn't rule out all graduates, but from
experience (and I have a reasonable amount of experience in this), I
believe it would rule out most.

Heinz, I think that your suggestion "How about building something as a
JUG - all those who are currently not doing anything productive? " is a
brilliant opportunity for those with little documented experience. In
fact, them just joining the CTJUG would be a good start and increase
their profile in the java community. I'm a little cynical though - I
believe that 99% of people who need this kind of opportunity will turn
it down... for a multitude of "good" reasons. As for the other 1%: if
they are even reasonably competent, I say, snap them up. As Riaan said,
 it's attitude that makes the difference in this game.

Lastly, regarding the cliques.... I believe that companies don't have
time or money to hire the wrong person. If one of my developers
recommended someone then I would definatly consider their application
for a position more seriously than others. It has zip to do with
cliques - and oh, I'd hire someone of another race/creed/sex if I
believe them to be the right person - I don't have any allegiance to my
own race/creed/sex in this regard - it's business - I want the right
person.

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