Evan, On Jan 9, 2008 1:52 PM, evan summers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Bruce Eckel complaining about the tendency of new features in Java to > > complicate things and saying that if we want new features we should > > all shift to a new language. Anyone got any thoughts on this? > > yes, i blogged on it, indirectly - > http://weblogs.java.net/blog/evanx/archive/2008/01/the_ide_is_the_1.html > > I'd be curious on your thoughts on a presentation I gave http://soren.aalto.tv/soren/docs/ditche2007/JVMScripting/JavaAndGroovy.html earlier this year. I'm wrestling with trying to find an open-ish development environment for the kind of dumb stuff we mostly should be doing here...my goal is Java/Groovy/JDBC + JSP/GSP and eventually web-based stuff. But then, I'm the kind of loser who still writes a lot of java code in JEdit and rewrote a struts app in native servlet+JSP+EL...I haven't really gotten productive in any of the mainstream IDEs letalone get groovy or python support. But...for the mass of quick-n-sleasy database query/ frontend things, scripting languages are very productive and less fatigueing. I know it was a great relief to move the JDBC work I was doing to Python and the hope was that Groovy would give the same productivity benefits plus a clear path to web-based apps via groovlets/GSP. > bruce eckel seems to be banging on about how python, flex, scala or > whatever is so great and java is now such rubbish - so personally i > want to smash his stupid face in! ;) > > i have mixed thoughts about language changes, but i would dearly love > to have properties eg. toolable "property literals" and baked-in > observability ie. for firing property change events, without the messy > boilerplate we have now - altho AOP can be used to address this in > many cases - but ja, property literals, eg. for beans binding, i would > love to have in my IDE > > and the end of the day, i think competition between C# and java is > what is driving language changes, and i think java should keep pace > with C#, and fight to remain competitive as a sexy cutting-edge > language to compete against C#, ruby, scala > > > e > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using Obsidian SWiTCH web-mail. > Obsidian SWiTCH - an Obsidian Systems company. > (0860) 055-911 - http://www.switch-it.co.za/ > > > > > > -- Soren Aalto Director: ICT University of Zululand --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CTJUG Forum" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/CTJUG-Forum For the ctjug home page see http://www.ctjug.org.za -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
