Dear Michael,
I think we all tried to open these sites ourselves after receiving your
posting. They all open for me fine, although I would characterize only the
2600 as a h*ck*r site; the others sell network security so I guess they're
antih*ck*r.Can you determine whether the detouring is based on the email
address you're using, or the computer you're working from? Could you, for
example, set up a second provider account (maybe duplicate a friend's
account, with his/her agreement) on your computer that wouldn't get
detoured if you visit the site from this alternate means of connecting?
Just a thought.
Jenny Decker
----- Original Message -----
From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 1:58 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Web monitoring...
> Crypto & hacker sites are reliably detoured for me and other users.
>
> I've been keeping a personal database of the "detours" so far for
> this type of site. Examples:
>
> URl Date Detoured to
>
> http://www.alphatrust.com 26-Jul-00 Beltsville or Middletown
> http://www.digsigtrust.com 26-Jul-00 Beltsville or Middletown
> http://www.lopht.com 26-Jul-00 (unknown)
> http://www.pgp.com 26-Jul-00 Beltsville MD
> http://www.verisign.com 26-Jul-00 Beltsville or Fairfax
> http://www.2600.com 26-Jul-00 Beltsville
>
> --------------------
>
> I personally am not visibly detoured when I visit political
> sites, "right" or "left", even militia-related or stridently
> radical, or most other types of sites... only the crypto and
> hacker sites, just about. On the other hand, a controversial
> friend has found he's detoured in ALL his web browsing, including
> to innocuous sites like msn.com.
>
> --------------------
>
> http://www.lippogroup.com is detoured to Beltsville! :-))
>
> --------------------
>
> Our testing so-far indicates that detouring is NOT be performed
> for those connected by ISPs who assign IP addresses randomly at
> log-on out a large pool of available addresses. Detouring is not
> seen when browsing is initiated via a fixed intermediary like
> http://www.anonymizer.com or via VisualRoute's web-based demo
> service. Detouring is also not seen for browsing initiated from
> within at least some large companies. My controversial friend,
> by the way, has a static IP address.
>
> ((But even a dynamic IP address is not a cloak. Many
> ISPs--especially the free ones--perform their own databasing of
> your web browsing behavior, regardlessof the type of IP
> addressing they perform. And utilities such as provided by
> http://www.dyndns.com and http://www.tzo.com/ can automatically
> register random-address'd machine at log-on, bringing all the
> benefits (and trackability) of a static address, whether the user
> knows it or not.))
>
> --------------------
>
> Thoughts:
>
> o The above behavior is consistent with a system aimed at (1)
> identifying users of "suspicious" tools, (2) paying closer
> attention to those with especially interesting profiles, while
> (3) operating in a manner which maximizes efficiency. Users
> assigned dynamic IP addresses from a large pool or shielded
> behind an intermediary are difficult to identify, so why bother.
> Similarly, users behind a corporate veil may be of little
> interest.
>
> o My research into traceroute routines suggests it would not be a
> huge challenge to set up a sniffer mechanism in a way that is
> fully cloaked. Which begs the question of why this sniffing--if
> that's what we're seeing (he said, tinfoil chapeau cocked
> jauntily)--is detectable. Easy answer: maybe it's supposed to be.
> "Let the Bad Guys know we're on to them..." Flip side: there
> might well be sniffing going on that can't be detected because
> it's NOT desired that we know.
>
> o There are some skeptics--very valuable to the discussion!--who
> believe there must be a technical explanation. Several have been
> proposed, centering on possible Internet node configuration
> issues. The difficulty is explaining why the crypto and hacker
> sites have such a high incidence of "detours", including the
> biggest legitimate corporate players in the field as well as some
> lesser-known and even homegrown ones. I am now looking into
> whether it might be desirable--and possible--from the standpoint
> of the operator of such a site to misconfigure something to that
> end.
>
> o Anyone wanting more screen shots is welcome to them; take it to
> private email. They all look pretty much like
> http://members.aol.com/flameme/ketchup.jpg ...
>
> o Again, we are talking about a sort of monitoring which differs
> from what's been revealed or conjectured about "echelon" or
> "carnivore". Those regard inspection of emails. This has to do
> with tracking your movements online. As a treat for those of you
> who have read this far, check out
> http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB23/12-01.htm ...you'll
> find me slouched weeping in the nearest bar...
>
>
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