-Caveat Lector- Jim Kinney wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > I agree that there are serious problems with the American system. I > agree.. the entire 'rich get richer / poor get poorer' problem that our > nation has fallen into is a horrible state of affairs, Why so? In order to alleviate that "state of affairs," one has to use coercive power to guarantee equal results regardless of mirit, chance, or any other factor. You simply cannot have BOTH "Freedom" and "Equality." And every attempt to may things "even just a bit more equal" requires relinquishing "just a bit more freedom." If we have freedom, then there will inevitably be inequality. If we have equality, then there will inevitably be loss of freedom. Any attempt to violate that principle results in less freedom AND less equality, because the attempt itself is a violation of Natural Law. > Calling our system 'Socialist' or 'Communist' because of an imbalance of > political power is as mistaken as calling the departed U.S.S.R. 'Capitalist' > because there were definitely people who made more than others for an equal > amount of work. But, Sir, "an imbalance of power" is not anything close to a definition of "socialism" or "communism." Nor is the fact that some people are more accomplished at producing wealth than others a definition of "capitalism." An "imbalance of power" could just as well be a monarchy, and "unequal results for equal effort" could describe a slave galley as well as it could General Motors... neither or which advocate nor practice capitalism. > Socialism and Communism, in their idealized forms, do not include that large > disparity of wealth. And, since no such critter has ever been seen, the "idealized forms" of those philosophies are in the same category as the "Tooth Fairy" -- pure fantasy. > The U.S.S.R. did not have a 'true' (read: idealized) form of Communism and > more than the U.S.A. has a 'true' form of Democracy. Where did you get the idea that the United States was designed to be a "true form of democracy"? A "true form of democracy" is perhaps the most despotic and horrendous form of government one could conceive of... In other words, "If my gang is bigger than your gang, we can do whatever-in-the-hell we want to with you and yours." > [snip] We aren't communists or socialists, just deeply screwed up believers in > democracy who have let things go wrong. Speak for yourself, please... At least for my part (and I suppose several others on this list) I am NOT a "believer in democracy." Look it up... "Democracy" means "mob rule." Hawk DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance�not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
