-Caveat Lector-
YnrChyldzWyld has the stronger arguments in this exchange. But in
fairness to Hawk, I think he is not arguing that Native American culture
was not without merit...just that European civilization brought with it
certain tech advantages...
OK.
I'm glad that some of you on the list are taking an interest in the Native
American contributions to American civilization.... For those of you who
are interested in the evolution of the Constitution (and who believe that
it was strictly a British Lockean affair), you need to look at the role
the
Iroquois Confederacy played in serving as a model for the Const. We know
that members of the Iroquois Nation attended the Constitutional Convention
(on invitation from Franklin).
Also- for those of you who are interested in Elizabeth Cady Stanton and
the women's rights movement--recent scholarship has revealed that the
Founding Mothers of the Women's Rights Movement (Seneca Falls, NY 1848)
were very much aware of the elevated position of women in the Seneca
traditional culture... Native Americans were present at the 1848
convention in New York to give support to the idea of suffrage, equal
rights for women, etc. The Seneca served as a model for these early
feminists. Check it out if you disbelieve me.
Regards,
Wm
On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> YnrChyldzWyld wrote:
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > The preponderance of 'Indian mounds' throughout the eastern U.S. would
> > tend to belie your contention that the Native Americans were incapable of
> > producing anything...
>
> I never contended such a thing....
>
> > Not all tribes were foragers and gatherers...many farmed...how do you
> > think the Pilgrims learned to grow corn, and fertilize it with fish?
>
> Fairy tale.... Do you think Europeans didn't know how to farm until Indians taught
> them?
>
> > The tribes of the northeast lived in established communities, dependent
> > on farming and fishing, with occasional hunting and occasional
> > 'gathering'...just like the European settlers...
>
> But with a big difference... No manufacturing that amounted to much more than
> handcrafts.
>
> > These same tribes had a pretty involved monetary system utilizing wampum,
> > and the Iroquois Confederacy became the foundation on which our own
> > Constitution was written...hardly 'nonproductive' people...
>
> Oh, so our concept of govm't was derived from the Iroquois Confederacy? Give me a
> break!
>
> > >Why, then, was North America, with is vast potential wealth, inhabited
> > >by starving people...
> >
> > The answer is, it wasn't...the Europeans did NOT find starving Indians
> > when they got here, in fact it was the European immigrants who starved,
> > and the native populations had to show the Europeans how to grow food,
> > what to hunt, fish, gather, etc., so that the Europeans could survive...
>
> I thought you just said that the Europeans who came here had been farmers and
> fishers.... Did they forget how to do these things after the arrived over here?
>
> Hawk
>
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