-Caveat Lector-
On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
>Do you have some fascination with exposing your ignorance? Just for the record, I
>live in a neighborhood of homes that range in price from $250,000 and up... My
>home is valued right a half a million. I drive a $34,000 pick-up, and my wife
>drives a Mercedes.
Just goes to show that white trash is still white trash, irregardless of
their tax bracket...
>> And your point is what? Do you suggest that an agrarian economy in
>> balance with it's environment is, somehow, primitive by comparison to the
>> destructive and metastatic (that means cancerous for you right-wingers
>> out there) production/technology-centered system of Europeans?
>
>Never said anything about "better" or "worse," and only mentioned that the Indians
>were minimal producers of anything, and lived in a constant state of semi-poverty.
'Semi-poverty' according to whose standard? Even the agrarian Indians
for the most part enjoyed a much higher standard of living than most
Europeans....and the Inca, Maya, and Toltecs obviously enjoyed substantial
wealth...
As for 'producing anything', when I pointed out the eastern tribes
extensive mound-building, you claimed you never claimed they never
produced anything (at least, anything 'substantial)...
Well, if the eastern mound-builders don't fit your arbitrary bill, what
about the cities and the intricate canal networks the Maya and Inca
created...what about the extensive irrigation system of the HoHoKums in
Arizona? A system that was only discovered when those of European
descent decided to build an irrigation system in the early part of this
century...and discovered the remains of the Indian system in the very
area they were digging...
>> You'll get no break from me, oh proud-to-be-ignorant one. The fact that
>> we "borrowed" the structure of our Constitution from the Iroquois
>> Republic (confederacy of a loose sort) is a matter of historical record.
>
>Neat! I'm sure that the Founding Fathers would never have come up with the idea
>of a loose confederacy without the Iroqois.... Sure...
Actually, they probably wouldn't have...there had been nothing like it
before, and the Iroquois system was the only thing they had to go by...
>> Initially, they were aristocrats in search of resources to plunder.
>
>So they came over here, leaving their palatial homes in Europe, to live in crude
>huts and exploit the Indians of their goods.... Right?
Right.
>Or were they looking for
>opportunity to build something better than they had (socially, materially, and
>economically) in the "old country?"
The initial immigrants in the 1600s either came here to plunder, with
plans to return to England in a few years with a vast bank account...or
they were religious fanatics looking to build their own version/vision of
'heaven on earth' in a new land...
Later, in the 1700s, you had a goodly number of people choosing to be
sent to the Americas in lieu of a stint in pauper's prison...or perhaps
even a stint in Newgate...again, these were NOT bucolic farmers coming
here...
June
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