-Caveat Lector- "Jim Condit Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is this a subject that falls under revisionism and therefore can only be > discussed from one side on this list? Looks like we have a de facto state > religion forming in Amsterdam and elsewhere -- together with is own > "dogmas" that cannot be questioned without penalties and maybe jail time, > eh? Jim Condit Jr. P.S. Upon re-reading the above questions sounds > sarcastic, but it is meant to be serious. > > On Thursday, December 10, 1998 3:15 PM, Robert Tatman > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > Court bans questions on Anne Frank veracity <snipped for space> Jim, this is a legitimate question, and the answer troubles me, because I am afraid it may be "yes". As I read the story, the court's view is that the events presented in the *Diary* are matters of established fact and cannot ipso facto be challenged, precisely *because* they are generally, if not universally, agreed to be true. Such a decision would not be possible in the United States, as it flies in the face of the First Amendment; however, the European approach to freedom of speech is quite different, and not entirely consistent. I *personally* accept Anne Frank's account; I also accept that the Holocaust happened, and I must lay the primary responsibility for that abomination at the feet of the German people, for all of eternity. But (and please note my conditions), *if* a legitimate historian can produce valid documentary evidence, acceptable to the profession as a whole, that casts doubt on the extermination of the Jews and other minorities by the Nazis, repeat, *if* such valid evidence can be produced, then it should and must be carefully examined alongside the evidence to the contrary (such as the films made of the camps both by the Germans themselves and by the liberating Allied armies). These conditions are stringent, and I frankly doubt that any Holocaust deniers will be able to meet them. But the Dutch court's decision implies that no one is allowed to challenge the historicity of the Holocaust, with or without evidence; and *that* suggests that, indeed, the Holocaust has become a shibboleth. Bob ================================= Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance�not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
