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Thank you so much, SnoOwl, for this insightful and inspiring critique.

It is individuals like yourself who can help us and our children to
dream better dreams....otherwise, the twenty-first century will witness a
dreary replay of the horrors of the twentieth century.

Isn't it time that we free ourselves from the hatreds and obsessions of
the past?  How long must we go on repeating the same mistakes over and
over again?

Yesterday, my students and I were discussing this very problem.  How do we
extricate ourselves from the mistakes of the past?  (Or as the Norwegian
dramatist, Henrik Ibsen, describes it, "the sins of the fathers.")

If we don't have the courage to move forward, what will become of this
society? I agree.

Best wishes,
Wm






On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Sno0wl wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> On 27 Jan 99, , Taylor, wrote:
>
> >  -Caveat Lector-
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> > >From This is the dawning of the New age New world Order
> > DL Cuddy Phd
> >
> > Chapter Six
> >         Education, Literary Symbolism,and One-World Socialism
> >
> >
> >         Because of their desire for harmony, Masons do not  say sectarian
> > prayers to Jesus for example, because that would be "divisive." Perhaps this
> > would explain why Horace Mann, a Mason who became known as "the father of
> > American public education,"felt that our public schools should be free from
> > "sectarian religious' influences."Mann became secretary to the Massachusetts
> > State Board of Education in 1837 and established the first "normal" (public)
> > school. His concept of "universal
> > education" followed the European "Pestalozzi" schools, whose founder Johann
> > Heinrich Pestalozzi (1746-1827) was a strong believer in Rousseau's
> > permissive educational beliefs (as in the latter's book, Emile).
>
> While this is an interesting history of education, what would you suggest in it's 
>stead?
>
> Prior to these forward, "progressive" steps in Education, only the children of the
> wealthy elite and moneyed middle-class learned to read and write. The horrors of
> industrial England with it's relentless exploitation of child labor was preceded by a
> primitive agricultural world ruled by church and monarchy in fuedal style, in which 
>only
> the children of the aristocracy were "schooled" and then only in what was relative to
> their prospective functions. Fuedal Europe, with its  lack of education survived in 
>rural
> areas until the end of WWII.
>
> I am a product of "progressive" schools. These schools created people who were
> trained not only to read and write, but to think for themselves. You may regret
> technology and progress, but the unparalleled gains in so many areas have been
> pioneered by a generation of "progressively" schooled students, who, given free rein,
> found many areas in which to exercize their erudition and creativity, opening up five
> decades of unparalleled "progress" and amazing advances in living standards for
> many, if not all, of us.
>
> I have also been a teacher and taught through "progressive" methods, including the
> open classroom. Rather than generating chaos, children as young as 7 found the
> schoolroom a place where they could work and play and develop a real love for 
>learning.
> Reading and writing skills were an object of delight, not drudgery. Math became
> fascinating and relevant to real situations. Reading and math scores soared. Even the
> least able were free to "make mistakes" freely and without shame, until they "got 
>it."
> And I am pleased to say that by year's end, everyone --even the least able--"got it."
>
> Children want to learn, until the shame of their "mistakes" and the fear of 
>humiliation
> turn the classroom into a hell that anyone would want to escape. Learning is an
> exploration of life. Not a dreary obligation that takes one out of life.
>
> Would you go back to the fuedal state, ruled by the church and prayer? Would you
> really bring the fear of hellfire and damnation back into the classroom? If so, you 
>have
> a very dim view of humanity. We are no longer an agricultural society. We are no
> longer an industrial society. We are in a new and different time and demands a 
>skilled
> and well-educated populace that can think, perform, invent, and innovate.
>
> The problem with education is not "progressivism"--it is the need for brighter, more
> inspired and creative teachers, who can provide rich learning environments. . The
> problem with society is not progressive education. It is the enormous gap between 
>rich
> and poor, which increasingly shows young people a limitation in their future 
>prospects
> that generates a form of rage and hopelessness.
>
> Young people are presented with a world in which only celebrities--entertainment and
> sports stars--live a "real" life, realizing "The American Dream.". Where the only
> upscale alternative is a corporate niche, which can no longer be considered "safe" 
>past
> the age of 40--except for the special few who can survive into upper management. Or a
> menial place at the bottom of the pile, struggling with multiple, poor-paying jobs 
>in a
> struggle to survive..
>
> Moreover, many of the public schools in many of our great cities--where the majority 
>of
> the population live and work--are shameful, Dickensian wrecks, where teachers must
> provide supplies out of their own pockets, and struggle to "make do" with outdated
> books and inferior materials while all the money goes to the suburbs.
>
> The problems of education are economic and cultural. Having taught in Harlem, in
> NYC., in upstate NY in a mainly rural community, and in Vermont, in a public school
> that served both a wealthy community and the children of the poor who served them, I
> think that young people need --in varying degrees according to the culture they come
> from --structure, need the security of order, but also need the opportunity to learn 
>and
> explore in a "progressive" atmosphere that supports learning, learning to learn, 
>learning
> to love learning and the new vistas it opens without the limitations and strictures 
>of
> religious discipline.
>
> Progressivism and NWO are not the same. People who are free to learn and think do
> not want to be ruled by a totalitarian state. The failures of modern education have
> nothing to do with progressivism. NWO is anti-progressive. It takes us back to the
> days of the Industrial Revolution, reviving child labor abroad to increase its 
>profits
> without scruple. It will take us back to fuedalism, leaving us scratching in the 
>earth to
> grow a carrot or potato to survive, as it centers our economy in the hands of the new
> wealthy warlords who would offer us religion as a solace for the sorry state of our
> worldly affairs.
>
> Wanting equity and opportunity in life do not make one a communist. Progressive
> education is not a NWO plot.
>
>
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> sno0wl
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